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    They seem all to be for ppl in state schools?

    Any1 know of 1 (Oxbridge, or related) that that let private school students in too?

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    (Original post by bOdOING2)
    They seem all to be for ppl in state schools?

    Any1 know of 1 (Oxbridge, or related) that that let private school students in too?

    Thanx

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    Doesn't Villiers Park do similar courses?
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    (Original post by bOdOING2)
    They seem all to be for ppl in state schools?

    Any1 know of 1 (Oxbridge, or related) that that let private school students in too?

    Thanx

    Huz
    Yes, the Sutton Trust Summer Schools are - Im sure that there are ones whereby private school people can participate though? :confused:
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    There's always the Harvard Summer School *g* if your parents can afford it. It looks fantastic.

    Most, if not all, Oxbridge summer schools are either for 'disadvantaged' students or for foreign students.
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    (Original post by bOdOING2)
    They seem all to be for ppl in state schools?

    Any1 know of 1 (Oxbridge, or related) that that let private school students in too?

    Thanx

    Huz
    No, as far as I know the aim of summer schools at Oxford is to encourage people from under represented groups to apply. Only 7% of people in the UK attend independent schools (so the access sheme says.) but about 50% of Oxford students did. So you are massively over represented. The only way you might be able to get on one is if you are of an under-represented ethnic minority. You don't need to go to a summer school if you are already at a private school. I am sure your school will be able to tell you all about applying, supply you with the correct forms, will give you mock interviews, will know people who have applied before etc etc. If not, what are you paying them for?
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    (Original post by mussed)
    There's always the Harvard Summer School *g* if your parents can afford it. It looks fantastic.

    Most, if not all, Oxbridge summer schools are either for 'disadvantaged' students or for foreign students.
    It's weird - Why did I get a place? I wouldn't say I'm disadvantaged really. My comprehensive school is alright enough and I don't live in a bad area.
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    (Original post by babyballerina)
    No, as far as I know the aim of summer schools at Oxford is to encourage people from under represented groups to apply. Only 7% of people in the UK attend independent schools (so the access sheme says.) but about 50% of Oxford students did. So you are massively over represented. The only way you might be able to get on one is if you are of an under-represented ethnic minority. You don't need to go to a summer school if you are already at a private school. I am sure your school will be able to tell you all about applying, supply you with the correct forms, will give you mock interviews, will know people who have applied before etc etc. If not, what are you paying them for?
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    (Original post by Checkey)
    It's weird - Why did I get a place? I wouldn't say I'm disadvantaged really. My comprehensive school is alright enough and I don't live in a bad area.
    I think going to a maintained school is the main criterion, because I have applied and yet I go to a grammar school and live in a good area. I didn't like the application form - all kinds of cheeky questions about my parents' qualifications!

    Having said that, my friend got in on the Oxford Access Scheme Medicine summer school this year (he found out last week), and he is in the same position. I'm still waiting on the result of my application to the Law Summer School - I hope I got it, or else I'll probably do a U-turn as far as Oxford admission is concerned.
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    (Original post by babyballerina)
    No, as far as I know the aim of summer schools at Oxford is to encourage people from under represented groups to apply. Only 7% of people in the UK attend independent schools (so the access sheme says.) but about 50% of Oxford students did. So you are massively over represented.
    20% of sixth form students in the UK are in the independent sector actually, I assume the percentage is higher at this level because more independent sector students stay on to do A-levels (the 7% is at secondary level I think). In addition to this, independent applications to Oxford make up considerably more than 20% anyway, so the massive over-representation you mention among students doesn't actually occur as you seem to think it does: broadly the numbers who get in reflect those who apply. The independent sector is over-represented to quite a high degree amongst applicants, but not really so with actual Oxford students. Important distinction!
    You are of course right though that the university wishes to encourage more state applicants (it tends to confuse state with disadvantaged) on the basis that this will mean more acceptances.
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    (Original post by mobbdeeprob)
    I think going to a maintained school is the main criterion, because I have applied and yet I go to a grammar school and live in a good area. I didn't like the application form - all kinds of cheeky questions about my parents' qualifications!

    Having said that, my friend got in on the Oxford Access Scheme Medicine summer school this year (he found out last week), and he is in the same position. I'm still waiting on the result of my application to the Law Summer School - I hope I got it, or else I'll probably do a U-turn as far as Oxford admission is concerned.
    why would you not apply, just because you didn't get a place for the summer school? go for it. i didn't get a place for the sutton trust summer school thing but still got a place at the university
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    (Original post by babyballerina)
    If not, what are you paying them for?
    Not everyone attends private schools just for the "Oxbridge" help and I know of plenty of private schools were infact little help/guidance is offered to Oxbridge candidates. Not all Private schools are obessed with Oxbridge and they're not all the same as Eton etc! Some people attend private schools for want of a more rounded education, ie. not just "how to get in2 university".

    Regarding the original question, I am afraid I can't be of help. Perhaps you should contact Oxbridge and ask?
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    (Original post by lala)
    20% of sixth form students in the UK are in the independent sector actually, I assume the percentage is higher at this level because more independent sector students stay on to do A-levels (the 7% is at secondary level I think). In addition to this, independent applications to Oxford make up considerably more than 20% anyway, so the massive over-representation you mention among students doesn't actually occur as you seem to think it does: broadly the numbers who get in reflect those who apply. The independent sector is over-represented to quite a high degree amongst applicants, but not really so with actual Oxford students. Important distinction!
    You are of course right though that the university wishes to encourage more state applicants (it tends to confuse state with disadvantaged) on the basis that this will mean more acceptances.
    Yes, and that's why they're trying to get more state school applicants to apply as there are so many private school applicants.
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    (Original post by mobbdeeprob)
    or else I'll probably do a U-turn as far as Oxford admission is concerned.
    Huh?!

    WRONG CHOICE!
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    (Original post by Bathsheba)
    why would you not apply, just because you didn't get a place for the summer school? go for it. i didn't get a place for the sutton trust summer school thing but still got a place at the university
    I can't say I've been overly enamoured by the organisation of the summer school - a) they have taken ages to get back to me; b) the man was rude to me when I phoned to ask what was going on; c) I would see it as a snub, and they have a lot of my personal information on record (things that would never appear on the UCAS in a million years) - and may hold it against me in future.
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    (Original post by mobbdeeprob)
    I can't say I've been overly enamoured by the organisation of the summer school - a) they have taken ages to get back to me; b) the man was rude to me when I phoned to ask what was going on; c) I would see it as a snub, and they have a lot of my personal information on record (things that would never appear on the UCAS in a million years) - and may hold it against me in future.
    Like what?
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    The Sutton Trust is aimed at students who don't come from the traditional university background or go to schools which send a good proportion of their students to university. That means it isn't really designed for the private sector.
    Not everyone attends private schools just for the "Oxbridge" help and I know of plenty of private schools were infact little help/guidance is offered to Oxbridge candidates. Not all Private schools are obessed with Oxbridge and they're not all the same as Eton etc! Some people attend private schools for want of a more rounded education, ie. not just "how to get in2 university".
    I wouldn't call Eton Oxbridge obbsessed. Similar to other public school, Eton are in a position where they send over 70 people to Oxbridge every year, that means they've got to cater for them. The school dosen't force people to apply.
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    (Original post by Checkey)
    Like what?
    - They know which qualifications my parents have
    - They know my ethnicity
    - They know my predicted AS-level grades (which were crap, because certain teachers used them to make a point - they were not awarded in line with what I will get this August, nor my actual ability)
    - They may dislike what I had to say in the personal statement
    - They may remember the argument that I had with the guy on the phone
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    (Original post by mobbdeeprob)
    - They know which qualifications my parents have
    - They know my ethnicity
    - They know my predicted AS-level grades (which were crap, because certain teachers used them to make a point - they were not awarded in line with what I will get this August, nor my actual ability)
    - They may dislike what I had to say in the personal statement
    - They may remember the argument that I had with the guy on the phone
    -UCAS do ask for your parent's qualifications.
    -They could guess your ethnicity at interview anyway.
    -your predicted AS grades won't matter when you apply, as you would have your results.
    -the main factor in admissions is the interview, not a personal statement that you sent in to an unrelated sector of the university months before or an argument with someone on the phone. I was 20 mins late for my interview and argued with my interviewer about a point which I later realised that I was mistaken about. Surely they had more reason to reject me than they will to use the above against you?

    I do think that the summer schools are aimed at disadvantaged students, who may not otherwise apply. It doesn't necessarily give any student an advantage. Admissions are looking for a real hunger and dedication, not a smooth-sounding personal statement. Then again, I could be wrong. They could have compiled a file of any correspondence that the applicant ever had with the university and scrutinise it carefully with the help of top analysts who decide from the tone of the letter/phone call/ mock personal statement as to whether the applicant is suited for the course. But then the interview process would be a bit of a waste of time. And I don't think they're that sinister
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    (Original post by mobbdeeprob)
    - They know which qualifications my parents have
    - They know my ethnicity
    - They know my predicted AS-level grades (which were crap, because certain teachers used them to make a point - they were not awarded in line with what I will get this August, nor my actual ability)
    - They may dislike what I had to say in the personal statement
    - They may remember the argument that I had with the guy on the phone
    You are really unlikely to be interviewed by anyone who dealt with your summer school application! Even if you were, they look at hundreds of summer school applications and are unlikely to remember yours (unless you're famous or something!) in particular when it come to interviews. Really don't worry.
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    (Original post by Checkey)
    Yes, and that's why they're trying to get more state school applicants to apply as there are so many private school applicants.
    That's what I said, if you actually read my post. However the original poster was unclear and given that the whole access set-up is based on the idea that the problem is with applications rather than acceptances it needed to be clarified. Everything works on the premise that as the percentages accepted broadly reflect those who apply: the major over-representation does NOT relate to the offers but rather the applications. It was also important to clear up the numbers issue too- some people do assume that as only 7% of secondary (not 6th form) students are at independents then a corresponding number of applicants are from there too, which no doubt you know isn't the case.
    Obviously there are also secondary complexities too such as the fact that the access schemes have been able to do little to increase the representation of students from genuinely deprived backgrounds, as opposed to merely state schools, and that ethnic minorities still tend to have less chance of getting in. But that would be a whooooooole other conversation.
 
 
 

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