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V948 - National Education Bill 2016 (Second Reading) Watch

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    V948 - National Education Bill 2016 (Second Reading), TSR UKIP

    National Education Bill 2016

    A
    BILL
    TO
    Implement a compulsory ‘National Education’ subject in schools

    BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-

    1) Definitions

    (a) ‘United Kingdom’ in the context of this bill refers to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and its previous forms before the Acts of Union 1707.
    (b) ‘Societal obligations' shall be defined as duties which individuals must perform in accordance to the law, including but not limited to paying taxes and fulfilling jury duties if summoned by court order.
    (c) 'Promotion of traditional family values' shall be defined as the promotion of the nuclear family with a father and a mother.

    2) National Education

    (1) ‘National Education’ shall be included in the national curriculum
    (2) All schools following the national curriculum shall provide at least 40 minutes of ‘national education’ every school week that consists of at least five days to all students from the early years foundation stage to Key Stage 4.
    (3) ‘National Education’ shall include—
    (a) the mandatory singing of the national anthem every week there is a 'national education' session;
    (b) the teaching of British culture and history in a manner that focuses on the positive portrayal of the United Kingdom's history and culture;
    (c) lessons teaching students to abide by the law, respect the police, and respect the notion of national sovereignty;
    (d) the promotion of patriotism and the message that the United Kingdom is the greatest country in the world;
    (e) lessons on carrying out societal obligations;
    (f) the promotion of traditional family values (as defined by the Department of Education);
    (g) basic first aid training; and
    (h) the promotion of freedom of expression in the United Kingdom as long as such expression does not violate any legislative provisions.

    3) Teachers’ duties

    (1) Teachers shall ensure that all students sing the national anthem during ‘national education’ sessions, unless a student has a disability that prevents him from singing.
    (2) Teachers shall ensure that students do not use any language other than English; or Scots, Welsh, British Sign Language, Irish, Scottish Gaelic, or Cornish if the situation permits.
    (3) Ensure that when teaching ‘national education’, no reference to the flag, anthem, monarchy, or history of the United Kingdom may be portrayed negatively.
    (4) Teachers have a responsibility to punish students who—
    (a) refuse to sing the national anthem during a national anthem singing session;
    (b) use any language other than the ones permitted under subsection (2);
    (c) refer to the flag, anthem, monarchy, or history of the United Kingdom in a negative manner.

    4) Enforcement

    (1) The Department of Education shall be responsible for issuing ‘national education’ licenses for ‘national education’ teachers.
    (2) Only those with ‘national education’ licenses may teach ‘national education’ in schools.
    (3) The Department of Education may only issue ‘national education’ licenses to individuals who—
    (a) are British citizens;
    (b) have not been convicted of a crime;
    (c) do not advocate for the independence (from the United Kingdom) of a part of the United Kingdom; and
    (d) do not advocate for a republican form of government in the United Kingdom and support the abolishment of the monarchy.
    (4) The Department of Education shall be responsible for carrying out audits in schools to ensure that ‘national education’ is taught in accordance to the provisions in section 2 of this bill, and to ensure that teachers of ‘national education’ comply with the provisions in section 3.

    5) Consequences of violation

    (1) Teachers who fail to comply with the provisions in section 3 are liable to a minimum fine of £500.
    (2) Schools that fail to teach ‘national education’ in accordance to the provisions in section 2 are liable to a minimum fine of £10,000.
    (3) Those who attempt to teach ‘national education’ in schools without a license are liable to a maximum fine of £1000 and 12 months imprisonment.

    6) Short title, commencement and extent

    (1) This Act may be cited as the National Education Act 2016.
    (2) This Act comes into effect 90 days after Royal Assent.
    (3) This Act extends to Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Changes for the second reading:
    - The definitions for 'separatists' and 'republicans' are removed.
    - The definitions of 'societal obligations' and 'promotion of traditional family values' are added.
    - 2.3(h) includes the promotion of freedom of speech in 'national education' lessons.
    - Commencement is changed from 30 days to 90 days after Royal Assent.
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    toronto353 I understand you are just following president with allowing this to go to vote but I feel that 3 days is excessive. Maybe 1 day could be a mistake but I feel that 1 day should be the limit.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    toronto353 I understand you are just following president with allowing this to go to vote but I feel that 3 days is excessive. Maybe 1 day could be a mistake but I feel that 1 day should be the limit.
    TSR UKIP communicated with me several days ago that they were working on the division version and I permitted them an extension. I also see it as rather petty to force them to delay this until after the GE to submit a fresh reading because it's a few days after the withdrawal date.
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    Nay - a most bigoted bill.
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    I support this being allowed to go to division, but nay, it's a vile, disgusting Bill.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    toronto353 I understand you are just following president with allowing this to go to vote but I feel that 3 days is excessive. Maybe 1 day could be a mistake but I feel that 1 day should be the limit.
    Precedent has been set for revival a lot longer than 3 days later

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    (Original post by toronto353)
    TSR UKIP communicated with me several days ago that they were working on the division version and I permitted them an extension. I also see it as rather petty to force them to delay this until after the GE to submit a fresh reading because it's a few days after the withdrawal date.
    I'm more worried about the president it sets. And in all honestly they had 11 days to make a new version. Which they don't even seem to have done seeing as I see no difference from second reading. I won't argue it out with you because what's done is done but if they can have 3 extra days why not 4 or 5 or 6?! Why can't I send something that expired at the start of this term to division now?
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I'm more worried about the president it sets. And in all honestly they had 11 days to make a new version. Which they don't even seem to have done seeing as I see no difference from second reading. I won't argue it out with you because what's done is done but if they can have 3 extra days why not 4 or 5 or 6?! Why can't I send something that expired at the start of this term to division now?
    How does this action establish some position of President?

    I would also say it's s but rich coming from the government. Clearly UKIP have lives, don't sit on TSR 24/7, have poor health and personal issues IRL. Did I miss any standard liberal excuses for not doing something?

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    (Original post by Aph)
    I'm more worried about the president it sets. And in all honestly they had 11 days to make a new version. Which they don't even seem to have done seeing as I see no difference from second reading. I won't argue it out with you because what's done is done but if they can have 3 extra days why not 4 or 5 or 6?! Why can't I send something that expired at the start of this term to division now?
    I think that 6 days and 6 months are different so such an argument and comparison is nothing more than reductio ad absurdum, but one that I feel is flawed. While you may feel that I have been unduly lenient, I am only following precedent. If it is something you feel strongly about though, I would suggest that you write an amendment up, but in following precedent and allowing automatically withdrawn items to go to vote/ progress, I would hope that I have the support of the House.
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    Automatic withdrawal, in the sense of the killing of an item, after cessation is a really bad idea in the first place.
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    A tad too draconian I'm afraid.Section 3(4)(c) in particular would undermine the teaching of history, which necessarily requires looking both at the triumphs and failures of the UK, and analysing why they failed and why they succeeded.
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    (Original post by tengentoppa)
    A tad too draconian I'm afraid.Section 3(4)(c) in particular would undermine the teaching of history, which necessarily requires looking both at the triumphs and failures of the UK, and analysing why they failed and why they succeeded.
    Try telling that to the government

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    Haha, NO! It's a bit ****ing stupid... there are bits I support, but overall, I can't support it as is.

    I do think something needs to be done about items being withdrawn after the time has ended. At this rate, it seems the Speaker would allow something a week late to go through - imo, that shouldn't happen. Oh well, another shortcoming I guess.
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    Raise your hand if you can imagine me singing God Save the Queen.

    *looks around*

    No one?

    Exactly.

    Nay from me from this absolutely horrendous bill that fails to reflect that although you may live in the UK you are not necessarily British. Then again, this is UKIP, so I'm not surprised.
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    As Shadow Secretary of state for Education I believe this bill to be fantastic, as it shows true patriotic values, which are the cornerstone of our society.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
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    A disgusting bill that takes a step backwards to the WW2 era of rampant nationalism. Nay.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Clearly UKIP have lives, don't sit on TSR 24/7, have poor health and personal issues IRL.
    That's debatable considering some members of UKIP...
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    That's debatable considering some members of UKIP...
    I think you missed the point, those were the very arguments made by the government to try to justify a few dozen people not actually being able to do anything

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    Ayes to the right: 10
    Noes to the left: 28
    Abstain: 3

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