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I don't know of any Aussies that come in here.
Aussies don't seem to come on here much but there are many on my course who have told me that the university hierarchy exists to a much lesser extent in Australia (correct me if I am wrong); many people live at home, studying locally. Not that this directly answers your question but from what I can see, they don't compare institutions and weigh them up against eachother to the same extent as in the UK but I guess they would still have an opinion on your question
So its not true that most of you live at home? I was just wondering 
Obviously I know that they all do on Ramsey Street in neighbours.
Obviously I know that they all do on Ramsey Street in neighbours.Excellent. No doubt on Neighbours they would throw a massive farewell for you with the soft camera lense! Seriously though, I have quite a few Australian friends at Oxford. They are really hard working yet have a reassuring laid back attitude. Great people. Sure you'll do well here but if your anything like them, you will hate the weather with a passion.
nimaland
Heyz.I just wanted to know,how will doing law at uni's in Australia like Melbourne U,UNSW and of course ANU measure up to doing law in the U.k at uni's like King's,Warwick,Nottingham and I guess LSE?
Well, it rather depends on what you want to do. Do you intend practising in Australia? Do you intend studying in Australia and then, as soon you finish your degree, return to the UK to do the LPC and apply for TCs? Or do you intend working in Oz for a year or so and then move back to the UK?
Australian lawyers are popular in the UK. Our legal press here is full of adverts from the MC inviting applications from Australian lawyers. Some firms (eg Herbies) come out here on recruitment drives to snap up the good candidates. However, that is for qualified lawyers with a bit of experience behind them. I can't see that there would be massive interest in someone fresh out of an Australian uni without any experience. I might be wrong.
Hey nimaland,
I was put in the same position as you earlier last year, because I was studying in Australia and had received an offer from the University of Melbourne to read Law (with Arts), as well as offers from universities in the UK. And I'm going to LSE in October...
The University of Melbourne, Sydney and (I think) ANU have incredibly reputable Law faculties -- however, Melbourne U is the only Australian university which is ranked highly globally (18th in the world). In contrast though, universities like LSE, UCL, Cambridge and Oxford are all renowned, and to graduate with a Law degree from any of these institutions gives you a PHWOAR factor world-wide -- more so than Melbourne U can offer.
However, with regards to other UK universities such as Kings, Warwick and Nottingham... I'd put them on par with Melbourne U, and Sydney and ANU. (I don't think UNSW is particularly renowned for Law, but I could be wrong since I wasn't looking to apply interstate anyway).
These conclusions have been the result of about six months of research, and I have a friend who is currently studying Commerce/Law at Melbourne U and she's extremely jealous that I have a place to read Law at LSE, so I guess you can see this debate from two angles.
However, I urge you to consider the questions chalks has set down as well, because they concern the long-term impact of your decision.
Good luck with everything, and keep us updated!
I was put in the same position as you earlier last year, because I was studying in Australia and had received an offer from the University of Melbourne to read Law (with Arts), as well as offers from universities in the UK. And I'm going to LSE in October...
The University of Melbourne, Sydney and (I think) ANU have incredibly reputable Law faculties -- however, Melbourne U is the only Australian university which is ranked highly globally (18th in the world). In contrast though, universities like LSE, UCL, Cambridge and Oxford are all renowned, and to graduate with a Law degree from any of these institutions gives you a PHWOAR factor world-wide -- more so than Melbourne U can offer.
However, with regards to other UK universities such as Kings, Warwick and Nottingham... I'd put them on par with Melbourne U, and Sydney and ANU. (I don't think UNSW is particularly renowned for Law, but I could be wrong since I wasn't looking to apply interstate anyway).
These conclusions have been the result of about six months of research, and I have a friend who is currently studying Commerce/Law at Melbourne U and she's extremely jealous that I have a place to read Law at LSE, so I guess you can see this debate from two angles.
However, I urge you to consider the questions chalks has set down as well, because they concern the long-term impact of your decision.
Good luck with everything, and keep us updated!
Hmmm, I think to a certain extent the rankings are rather subjective, but the general consensus is that both Melbourne and Sydney are fantastic for Law. You can't go wrong with either of these universities.
umm... interesting, so you do have law school rankings, different to what I was told.
Yorkshire_Laura
umm... interesting, so you do have law school rankings, different to what I was told.
We don't have a body like the Times Good University Guide to determine these rankings for us. To a great extent, the rankings are subject to individual preference. However, over the years, a number of the universities have made a name for themselves, both in the country and worldwide, and the Law school rankings are greatly based on these. I think Australia has far too few universities (only a handful of established ones in every state) for people to really nut out the best ones for each subject... However, it's mostly only overseas students who really look into such rankings. Home students don't, usually.
strange_man
I was in Melbourne University to do Law for one semester (as a first-year student, it was my choice), found I didn't like it, and therefore will be heading to LSE this September instead...
Heyy, I almost went to Melbourne University but ended up choosing LSE instead. Almost my exact situation!
I read in several places that Melbourne was considered to have the best AU Law faculty...?
I would love to do a post grad abroad, simply to get away from the UK for a bit and further my career at the same time, and am considering these two, providing I'm lucky enought to get the grades to get in!!
How rigorous is the selection process for Law at these two? I mean, are they Oxbridge-competitive? Or less so?
I would love to do a post grad abroad, simply to get away from the UK for a bit and further my career at the same time, and am considering these two, providing I'm lucky enought to get the grades to get in!!
How rigorous is the selection process for Law at these two? I mean, are they Oxbridge-competitive? Or less so?
Fa|ique
According to one of my friends studying in Australia, it's more...
Melb/ANU/USYD/UNSW/Monash
Melb/ANU/USYD/UNSW/Monash
They dont have much of an idea as ANU law is easier to get into, and is in canberra. The better law students are at the higher cut off unis (duh), like melb/usyd. USYD is the oldest law faculty in aus, hence is *regarded* as the most prestigious.
I am quite sure the cut off for usyd law (at 99.55 atm - meaning you have to be in top 0.45% of the state to get in), will rise when melbourne uni's 'melb model' is implemented, as more students will come to usyd to study law undergrad rather than the grad program at melb.
Aussie law schools are way too competitive for admissions. They are on par with their UK counterparts, though, in rankings...
Melbourne, Sydney and ANU are the the best.
Melbourne, Sydney and ANU are the the best.
Perhaps having studied at the ANU for awhile I am in a position to comment of the law school. You pay insane international fees- almost as much as it may cost, including living, as it would to study in Oxbridge to say the least, but the attention you get is forty times less. In what way? Well, imagine tutorials of forty students in a crammed up classroom. Its absolutely ridiculous. The teaching is uninspirational and there appears to be a preconception that the international students can't write in English, despite qualifying for law school.
It really is too easy to get in- go for a year of absolutely unchallenging foundations (which I have been told are more for High School kids) and you can study for a double degree in law and economics. At the same time, it takes an AAB to enter with A-levels. What you end up getting is a huge cohort with people coming in with all sorts of qualification standards- which makes working hard in the first place for A-levels appear meaningless because once may just skip college and enter through foundations. It really makes the whole place look like a law degree factory which is more interested in its education exports than the quality of lawyers it produces.
And seriously, a compulsory moral and ethics course?
*breath* getting worked up here. Now we've got students rallying for a decent review of their experimental-ridiculously-planned-tutorials (as mentioned above), and a good friend of mine who's been getting HD's as a first year law student gave up on the faculty and decided to do History- hope this gives a perspective.
It really is too easy to get in- go for a year of absolutely unchallenging foundations (which I have been told are more for High School kids) and you can study for a double degree in law and economics. At the same time, it takes an AAB to enter with A-levels. What you end up getting is a huge cohort with people coming in with all sorts of qualification standards- which makes working hard in the first place for A-levels appear meaningless because once may just skip college and enter through foundations. It really makes the whole place look like a law degree factory which is more interested in its education exports than the quality of lawyers it produces.
And seriously, a compulsory moral and ethics course?
*breath* getting worked up here. Now we've got students rallying for a decent review of their experimental-ridiculously-planned-tutorials (as mentioned above), and a good friend of mine who's been getting HD's as a first year law student gave up on the faculty and decided to do History- hope this gives a perspective.
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