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Reality and criticism of drug-induced enlightenment Watch

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    I'm trying to find a convincing argument that "in healthy sobriety, what you experience is all part of reality, up to feelings/moods about what you experience", and an argument against the idea that recreational drugs can induce enlightenment, followed by an argument for mathematics/science as the route to understand more of reality.

    I have thought of lots of things but nothing really convincing. For the second one about drug-induced enlightenment, I was thinking that you could use a probability argument to show that the probability of finding the drug-taking path leading to a complete view of reality, given the possible non-existence of such a combination and also the number of drug combinations, is close to zero.
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    nobody up to the challenge?
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    Are you saying that using illegal drugs can help with religious meditation or something?
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    (Original post by ODES_PDES)
    Are you saying that using illegal drugs can help with religious meditation or something?
    No I define enlightenment as "getting closer to the correct view of reality"...which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with religion, as far as i can see
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    (Original post by realconfusionman)
    "getting closer to the correct view of reality".
    What exactly do you mean by reality?
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    (Original post by ODES_PDES)
    What exactly do you mean by reality?
    how things actually are
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    (Original post by realconfusionman)
    how things actually are
    Reality is subjective.
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    Why do I feel like the OP is really incoherent? Doesn't make sense to me
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Reality is subjective.
    no it isn't
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    (Original post by realconfusionman)
    no it isn't
    Not everyone's reality is the same. Your correct view of reality may be completely different to another person's. Until you realise that you can never truly understand reality.
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    (Original post by realconfusionman)
    I'm trying to find a convincing argument that "in healthy sobriety, what you experience is all part of reality, up to feelings/moods about what you experience", and an argument against the idea that recreational drugs can induce enlightenment, followed by an argument for mathematics/science as the route to understand more of reality.
    From personal experience it depends on the types of drug and how well the person's sober mind perceives the reality of situations around them. If the person has a tendency to overthink things and worry about things that aren't actually a concern, then a drug with calming, relaxing effects may - by chilling them out - remove that block in their mind that causes the tension so that they view the situation closer to how it really is. Similar effect with painkillers and drugs that induce sleep ... it may not cause people to see reality directly but it can temporarily remove physical and mental issues (anxiety, pain, insomnia etc) that prevents people from seeing reality with a clean mind.

    Other substances like the amphetamines and hallucinogens will cause euphoria rather than enlightenment, and distort the perception of reality.
 
 
 
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