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Are there any other TSRians who like China or the Communist ideal?

I will be moving to China once I have finished my degrees in electrical engineering and computer science. Are any of you TSRians planning to move and work in China?
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I've moved this to the politics section as you're more likely to get people interested in politics responding (And thus hopefully find others who are like minded).
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I love Chinese culture.
You are lucky to move there
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I love Chinese culture.
You are lucky to move there
Same I love their culture Are you planning on moving and working there in the future?
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<< But nahh
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Same I love their culture Are you planning on moving and working there in the future?
I am afraid not
That is why I envy you.
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have you learnt Chinese yet? :teehee:
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have you learnt Chinese yet? :teehee:
I am learning Standard Mandarin in supplementary classes. I have a bit of time.
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Are there any other pro-China/Communist members of TSR?

I will be moving to China once I have finished my degrees in electrical engineering and computer science. Are any of you TSRians planning to move and work in China?
im not communist but I do love china, went there on an exchange trip a while back and I learned it since year 7, and studied it for one year at AS before i decided its too much hard work

maybe ill live there for a while when im older
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im not communist but I do love china, went there on an exchange trip a while back and I learned it since year 7, and studied it for one year at AS before i decided its too much hard work

maybe ill live there for a while when im older
Wow that's awesome. I've been to Hong Kong, Macau and Southern mainland China myself and really enjoyed the experience. Unfortunately my schools did not teach Mandarin so I am now learning it on the side at uni
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Wow that's awesome. I've been to Hong Kong, Macau and Southern mainland China myself and really enjoyed the experience. Unfortunately my schools did not teach Mandarin so I am now learning it on the side at uni
just wondering is your username a blade runner reference
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You can't really be pro-China and pr-communism as they're nothing of the sort. They're essentially state capitalists, moving towards an authoritarian capitalist regime.

Also, don't go around practicing Falun Gong (basically meditating) unless you fancy the benevolent Communist Party harvesting your organs, alive.

Probably also best to forget about those pesky human rights, they're not too keen on them over there.

If you're looking to enrich yourself in China's culture and history you might also be disappointed, they destroyed most of that during the 'Cultural Revolution.'

Try not to breath too much either, their air quality is one of the world's worst.

Apart from that, I hope you have a lovely time.
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just wondering is your username a blade runner reference
YESS you got it!! Also great Chinese atmosphere in the film
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I am learning Standard Mandarin in supplementary classes. I have a bit of time.
ah man, I've been doing it for GCSE and iss so hard :{
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You can't really be pro-China and pr-communism as they're nothing of the sort. They're essentially state capitalists, moving towards an authoritarian capitalist regime.

Also, don't go around practicing Falun Gong (basically meditating) unless you fancy the benevolent Communist Party harvesting your organs, alive.

Probably also best to forget about those pesky human rights, they're not too keen on them over there.

If you're looking to enrich yourself in China's culture and history you might also be disappointed, they destroyed most of that during the 'Cultural Revolution.'

Try not to breath too much either, their air quality is one of the world's worst.

Apart from that, I hope you have a lovely time.
I did not say I was anti authoritarian but rather pro-Communist. Some degree of authoritarianism is needed to establish the ideal Communist state.

I guess by depriving human rights you mean for example tighter gun restrictions to prevent US-style shootings?

There may be pollution in big cities but there is also a significant lack of global warming deniers.

Anyway thanks for the well wishes.
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I did not say I was anti authoritarian but rather pro-Communist. Some degree of authoritarianism is needed to establish the ideal Communist state.

I guess by depriving human rights you mean for example tighter gun restrictions to prevent US-style shootings?

There may be pollution in big cities but there is also a significant lack of global warming deniers.

Anyway thanks for the well wishes.
No, by human rights abuses I mean stuff like this. https://www.hrw.org/world-report/201...hina-and-tibet

My point is that China is not anything near to being a communist state, and is somehow moving away from becoming one even further, and has been since it liberalised its economy in the 1970's.

China is a perfect example of how the bourgeois/political class is not eliminated by communism, it is just replaced. Whilst President Xi gorges in his palace, China's 'proletariat' lives in poverty.
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No, by human rights abuses I mean stuff like this. https://www.hrw.org/world-report/201...hina-and-tibet

My point is that China is not anything near to being a communist state, and is somehow moving away from becoming one even further, and has been since it liberalised its economy in the 1970's.

China is a perfect example of how the bourgeois/political class is not eliminated by communism, it is just replaced. Whilst President Xi gorges in his palace, China's 'proletariat' lives in poverty.
Human rights abuses aren't limited to China of course but I understand what you mean.

Sorry I worded the OP badly. I am aware that China at the moment is not a Communist state but it has potential to become one. The problem of course is that China tried to become Communist too quickly with finite resources. Now they have to take a step back to go Capitalism->Socialism->Communism because of aristocratic corruption instituted since Chairman Mao.

I will reword the title. I like Chinese economy, culture, education, etc. and I consider myself a Communist but I do not consider a Communist country yet.
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Human rights abuses aren't limited to China of course but I understand what you mean.

Sorry I worded the OP badly. I am aware that China at the moment is not a Communist state but it has potential to become one. The problem of course is that China tried to become Communist too quickly with finite resources. Now they have to take a step back to go Capitalism->Socialism->Communism because of aristocratic corruption instituted since Chairman Mao.

I will reword the title. I like Chinese economy, culture, education, etc. and I consider myself a Communist but I do not consider a Communist country yet.
The problem is that they tried to become Communist at all. All they've succeeded in doingis wonderfully demonstrate that Communism doesn't and won't work; not that we need to look at them before stating that, what with the USSR, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Vietnam...

And what 'culture' exactly are you referring to? Any interesting facet of their culture was eliminated during the Cultural Revolution.
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The problem is that they tried to become Communist at all. All they've succeeded in doingis wonderfully demonstrate that Communism doesn't and won't work; not that we need to look at them before stating that, what with the USSR, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Vietnam...

And what 'culture' exactly are you referring to? Any interesting facet of their culture was eliminated during the Cultural Revolution.
The reason those countries did not succeed in transferring to Communism is because they had not reached a steady peak of production during the capitalism phase.

As for your second point China has >1.357 billion and 56 ethnic groups so to blanket say there is no interesting culture is rather ignorant. Take for example Confucianism one of the most interesting philosophies still very strong. In addition family relations, cuisine, festivals, etc.
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The reason those countries did not succeed in transferring to Communism is because they had not reached a steady peak of production during the capitalism phase.

As for your second point China has >1.357 billion and 56 ethnic groups so to blanket say there is no interesting culture is rather ignorant. Take for example Confucianism one of the most interesting philosophies still very strong. In addition family relations, cuisine, festivals, etc.
Ignorant? How ironic.

They may have many ethnic groups but they're all suppressed in equal measure, only Communist Party approved culture is allowed to flourish. I wonder what a Tibetan Buddhist monk would say about the Party's cultural policies? Then again they probably wouldn't be allowed to say anything negative for fear of arrest.

Also, these countries failed because they tried to implement a failed ideology. Isn't it odd that countries who have reached or are reaching their "peak production" in capitalism wouldn't go anywhere near communism?
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