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    A new admission and development, it appears there is a third pension in addition to the two already known that Corbyn failed to declare on his tax return.

    And now he is refusing to release his tax documents that the media have requested to confirm the claims he has made that this income was declared. He has basically lost any moral high ground he had on tax, he said politicians should release their tax returns and be totally transparent, but is now refusing to release his own documents as it might reveal misconduct on his part.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...on-tax-return/

    Corbyn supporters are now saying his tax affairs are a "private matter" :rolleyes:
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    For him it's probably better that this means people suspect he has some dodgy tax avoidance dealings. Better for him than people seeing there's more than likely some large payments coming from shady sounding shell companies held by the Saudis.
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    you couldn't make it up

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    (Original post by Jebedee)
    For him it's probably better that this means people suspect he has some dodgy tax avoidance dealings. Better for him than people seeing there's more than likely some large payments coming from shady sounding shell companies held by the Saudis.
    Well if you go to his we work for you page, you'll see that he has an extensive record of taking money from regimes as bad as Saudi, who he ****s off other people for taking money from.

    So that he is a shameless hypocrite on his subject shouldn't be a shock to anybody
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    A new admission and development, it appears there is a third pension in addition to the two already known that Corbyn failed to declare on his tax return.

    And now he is refusing to release his tax documents that the media have requested to confirm the claims he has made that this income was declared. He has basically lost any moral high ground he had on tax, he said politicians should release their tax returns and be totally transparent, but is now refusing to release his own documents as it might reveal misconduct on his part.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...on-tax-return/

    Corbyn supporters are now saying his tax affairs are a "private matter" :rolleyes:
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    Ha! Well in some ways I do, at least Ed possessed the sort of basic competence (being properly attired, not looking like a scruffbag, singing the national anthem, his lack of personal associations or baggage with terrorist groups).

    Ed Miliband was also about 10 points ahead of Cameron at this point in the cycle in the last parliament (2011ish). That is the kind of margin Labour will need in the next election to put them on the treasury benches.

    Corbyn is wholly incapable of achieving anything close to that, if anything Labour could suffer a devastating defeat and see their seats plunge below 180. If Labour fought the election led by a man who is the literal manifestation of the stereotype North London doctrinaire socialist who is completely oblivious to common sense, who is a far-left zealot, extremely PC, who lionises terrorist groups as "liberation fronts", who has little to no knowledge of the world outside of the parochial London revolutionary socialist scene (the marches, the sit-ins, the meetings, the leafletting) and who has no experience of business and industry, who has never had a real job outside politics... if Labour is suicidal enough to be led by such a man the party will get stomped in the election

    Labour being led to the next election by this man would see an extremely negative (and highly effective) tsunami of public relations and political campaigning, advertising on a mass scale, to hit Corbyn over those links to terrorists, his praising groups that have killed our citizens, the money he took from Iran and all of the other dozen obscenities he has participated in. They would hit him with it day after day after day until polling day. The Tories would enjoy a massive a huge morale windfall for their activities and generate enthusiasm amongst almost all centre-right people who agree Corbyn being elected would be a disaster, the turnout amongst Tory inclined people would probably be high. I suspect they wouldn't have any difficulty convincing more apolitical and swing voters as by that time they will have cultivated an image of Corbyn as a terrorist sympathiser and a threat to national security. On the Labour side, Corbyn is despised by a large section of his own party. Corbyn will find it difficult to get the most out of Labour activists for the election "ground game" because the party is so divided on him. There are many in the party including myself who will refuse to cast a ballot for Corbyn and probably sit out the election.

    Given those odds there's no doubt I miss Miliband compared to Corbyn but ideally I'd like Dan Jarvis. For all the crowing after 2015 from the Tory side, Labour isn't in that bad a position. Labour held onto 230 seats which is about 30 more than the Tories had after the 2005 election.

    The Tories only have a majority of 12 so we're not talking about a landslide government. The government is already starting to flounder and I think by the next election they will be a very tired government and that people will be ready to vote differently. Labour can win government without the Scottish seats if there's a big swing on against the Tories. But the party needs to have the right leader.
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    (Original post by BeastOfSyracuse)
    Ha! Well in some ways I do, at least Ed possessed the sort of basic competence (being properly attired, not looking like a scruffbag, singing the national anthem, his lack of personal associations or baggage with terrorist groups).

    Ed Miliband was also about 10 points ahead of Cameron at this point in the cycle in the last parliament (2011ish). That is the kind of margin Labour will need in the next election to put them on the treasury benches.

    Corbyn is wholly incapable of achieving anything close to that, if anything Labour could suffer a devastating defeat and see their seats plunge below 180. If Labour fought the election led by a man who is the literal manifestation of the stereotype North London doctrinaire socialist who is completely oblivious to common sense, who is a far-left zealot, extremely PC, who lionises terrorist groups as "liberation fronts", who has little to no knowledge of the world outside of the parochial London revolutionary socialist scene (the marches, the sit-ins, the meetings, the leafletting) and who has no experience of business and industry, who has never had a real job outside politics... if Labour is suicidal enough to be led by such a man the party will get stomped in the election

    Labour being led to the next election by this man would see an extremely negative (and highly effective) tsunami of public relations and political campaigning, advertising on a mass scale, to hit Corbyn over those links to terrorists, his praising groups that have killed our citizens, the money he took from Iran and all of the other dozen obscenities he has participated in. They would hit him with it day after day after day until polling day. The Tories would enjoy a massive a huge morale windfall for their activities and generate enthusiasm amongst almost all centre-right people who agree Corbyn being elected would be a disaster, the turnout amongst Tory inclined people would probably be high. I suspect they wouldn't have any difficulty convincing more apolitical and swing voters as by that time they will have cultivated an image of Corbyn as a terrorist sympathiser and a threat to national security. On the Labour side, Corbyn is despised by a large section of his own party. Corbyn will find it difficult to get the most out of Labour activists for the election "ground game" because the party is so divided on him. There are many in the party including myself who will refuse to cast a ballot for Corbyn and probably sit out the election.

    Given those odds there's no doubt I miss Miliband compared to Corbyn but ideally I'd like Dan Jarvis. For all the crowing after 2015 from the Tory side, Labour isn't in that bad a position. Labour held onto 230 seats which is about 30 more than the Tories had after the 2005 election.

    The Tories only have a majority of 12 so we're not talking about a landslide government. The government is already starting to flounder and I think by the next election they will be a very tired government and that people will be ready to vote differently. Labour can win government without the Scottish seats if there's a big swing on against the Tories. But the party needs to have the right leader.
    I actually lost faith in the Labour Party as a whole when they elected Ed as leader. I said at the time that he was obviously unelectable in a UK general election. That the party as an entity could vote in somebody as leader who could not win a GE made me realise that the collective judgement of the party is extremely poor.

    Then they voted in Corbyn. Either the Labour Party are determined to be on constant opposition and therefore achieve absolutely nothing (Blair getting voted in enabled the introduction of the minimum wage to give an illustration of why Labour are missing the point) or they're so utterly delusional that they cannot be trusted to be anywhere near government or any area of important decisions.

    It's a travesty really as it gives the Conservatives carte Blanche to do whatever they want unopposed. In many ways these people shoulder responsibility for the very things they're protesting against right now.

    As for Dan Jarvis, a 5 year old with common sense could tell you he's a great choice as leader. Why? He's electable. So he might actually have a hope of getting you lot in power. However this is the Labour Party, which means there's a 99% chance they'll miss this open goal and vote in Emily Thornberry or somebody else all normal people will hate. Again
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    A politician from the labour/conservative/liberal Crew is Corrupt? Who would have thought? Corbyn, Cameron, Clegg, Clark, Cooper, Cunningham, Cummins, Cox...or whoever, all the same to me, Corrupt with a Capital C
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    As for Dan Jarvis, a 5 year old with common sense could tell you he's a great choice as leader. Why? He's electable. So he might actually have a hope of getting you lot in power. However this is the Labour Party, which means there's a 99% chance they'll miss this open goal and vote in Emily Thornberry or somebody else all normal people will hate. Again
    I'm feeling a bit more confident. I really have wanted to tear up my membership card, but I realised the whole point about taking part in the internal party mechanisms is to try to influence it more towards your preferred policies and so that meant staying in even when I'm in the minority (or especially then). There need to be party members who are ready to pick up the pieces when the Trotskyist circus moves on. Four years is a long time in politics, by 2018 I have no doubt Corbyn will be gone. With a leader like Jarvis, who is completely untainted by any connection to the civil wars of the Blair/Brown years and who avoided being tainted by the Corbyn years by collaborating with them... I think he will look quite good against a Tory government for which you can already hear the bulkheads starting to creak only a year after the last election.

    Once the referendum is over I predict the bitterness from the losing side in the Tories will lead to massive infighting, and then they're leading up to the Osborne-Johnson leadership contest and further rancour.... as long as Labour has a leader who has a bit of charisma and spunk about them, and exudes basic competence that will be the "permission" a lot of swing voters need to vote for Labour. As you say, a child could explain Jarvis' appeal, I just hope the party doesn't **** it up again. I suppose that's really my mission along with my moderate friends, to ensure that the party doesn't **** it up.
 
 
 
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