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Why saying "feminism is simply about equality" is a little disingenous Watch

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    Feminism is simply about equality, right?

    The problem is, this well used retort to criticism of feminism is not telling the full story.

    Because a person's idea of "equality" can be subjective, and particular. And many feminists have very particular ideas for how to achieve their own very specific conceptions of equality. And if your own views deviate from any of their ideas, in their eyes you don't believe in equality, and therefore are not in fact a feminist.

    When people say "feminism is just about wanting men and women to be equal", it's easy to think it just means that feminism is just about equal rights. But it's not, because if it was, feminism would no longer need to exist in the UK. Feminism therefore now is largely about dictating how people should behave, within the confines of the law.
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    It's almost like political philosophy is complicated.

    Libertarians say they are all about liberty but I can pick holes in their ideals not being cohesive to my understanding of liberty from my socialist perspective. There is not a lab we can test these ideals and philosophies in to find out which one is empirically correct. They deal with questions that are incredibly subjective and ultimatum unanswerable. They conflict. You may as well complain that people hold different ideologies. People have different notions of what equality means or even if it is a good thing or not. Just because you do not personally agree with then feminist conception of equality does not mean that feminism is not based on a notion of equality.

    If you fundamentally disagree with the core philosophy of equality in feminism there isn't much you can do other than just accept you don;t agree with that. Or you can try and trip up feminists and show how they are not striving for equality via their own definition of what equality means.
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    if they can claim that feminism is about equality, I can claim the same thing about MRA, but they constantly claim that MRAs are sexist, but they're the sexists
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    It's almost like political philosophy is complicated.
    It's almost like that's exactly what I'm saying and I think its dishonest of feminists to try and pretend it's much simpler than it really is.
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    *sigh* definitions definitions definitionss

    why can't we all agree to be nice to each other and not care about weird labels we've made

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    until it becomes a problem I guess but WE SEE THE POINT THAT'S BEING MADE
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    Feminism, as a concept, is based on equality. It's basically the sex/gender branch of egalitarianism. The way the adherents to the concept perceive, and in some cases twist in a bid to suit their own ideals, the concept is their own doing and doesn't necessarily reflect the true nature of the concept.

    Feminism, or rather the approach to it that some people give, is hella flawed sometimes. I have no illusions regarding that. But to imply that it's not rooted in equality based on the minority of those who shout the loudest is also disingenuous.

    Hell dude, you said so yourself: "Because a person's idea of "equality" can be subjective, and particular. And many feminists have very particular ideas for how to achieve their own very specific conceptions of equality. And if your own views deviate from any of their ideas, in their eyes you don't believe in equality, and therefore are not in fact a feminist."

    All that highlights is that some feminists aren't advocating for equality as strongly, or with as good intentions, as others. But that doesn't mean that the core concept is misleading.

    tl;dr: feminism is totes about equality, some feminists aren't, and the latter truth doesn't make the former false.
 
 
 
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