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    Is there anything wrong with being proud to be British?

    I have this discussion with my A-level History and Politics & Government lecturer constantly. Personally, I am very proud to be British. I am totally aware of our somewhat abhorrent history, with the empire an all, but I am proud of how I feel about living and growing up in Britain. I am freer than I would be in any other nation on earth. It offers solitude and safety for those who are escaping terror. Granted, most of those conflicts that caused the terror were caused by us and the yanks, but yeah. The people are very forward thinking, the education system is fantastic, it's incredibly multi-cultural, incredibly excepting, it's built on the people, spirit, some of the most influential and brilliant people from all industries come from Britain, some of the most important inventions were created by brilliant British minds, and even though we don't win anything in any sporting event, we still are proud because we take part!

    I'm interested to see what people think about Britain. Go for it!
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    Personally, I can't understand partiotism.

    Whilst being patriotic or proud in itself is not racist, most racists do tend to be the overt patriots.

    Further, you are British, and so am I, by nothing other than luck. I was fortunate to be born in a prosperous country and I am not proud of that fortune.

    I am proud when I help people, when I learn things and when I work hard. None of these have anything to do with being British any more than they are attributed to other nationalities.

    Just to be clear, I have no problem with patriotism, I just don't understand it and I notice that many patriots are also racists and bigots.

    I am a citizen of the world.
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    (Original post by Anon07079191)
    Personally, I can't understand partiotism.

    Whilst being patriotic or proud in itself is not racist, most racists do tend to be the overt patriots.

    Just to be clear, I have no problem with patriotism, I just don't understand it and I notice that many patriots are also racists and bigots.
    Some people don't understand homosexuality but anyone says 'I notice that many gays are drama queens' and everyone goes [email protected]<king mental.
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    (Original post by similarBlank)
    Some people don't understand homosexuality but anyone says 'oh, so many drama queens are gay' and everyone goes [email protected]<king mental.
    Lol... Point taken. Although homosexuality is not a choice whereas patriotism is.

    Please share your views on patriotism too. I am interested to hear your opinion,
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    (Original post by JSmiggy)
    Is there anything wrong with being proud to be British?

    I have this discussion with my A-level History and Politics & Government lecturer constantly. Personally, I am very proud to be British. I am totally aware of our somewhat abhorrent history, with the empire an all, but I am proud of how I feel about living and growing up in Britain. I am freer than I would be in any other nation on earth. It offers solitude and safety for those who are escaping terror. Granted, most of those conflicts that caused the terror were caused by us and the yanks, but yeah. The people are very forward thinking, the education system is fantastic, it's incredibly multi-cultural, incredibly excepting, it's built on the people, spirit, some of the most influential and brilliant people from all industries come from Britain, some of the most important inventions were created by brilliant British minds, and even though we don't win anything in any sporting event, we still are proud because we take part!

    I'm interested to see what people think about Britain. Go for it!
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    not everyone in our great country is ashamed of the Empire...
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    As another poster said it's down to luck where you're born. I ,too, do not understand patriotism. I don't understand why people still say they're willing to die for their country? What are you truly dying for? A government who doesn't give a f**** about you.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Try saying that 'I notice many terrorists are muslims' then, because religion is certainly a choice
    In this case I would argue that Islamic terrorists are not really Muslims. My understanding is that they use Islam as an excuse to do bad things.

    For the avoidance of doubt, I will retract my comment about many patriots being racists.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    I'd then argue that many violent 'racists' are simply using racism and nationalism as an excuse and justification for violence.
    And I'd disagree.

    What's your mathematical background?
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Then I'd disagree that Islamic State fighters aren't true muslims

    My avatar? Its not mathematical
    No, but your username is, surely?

    Also, please share your views on Patriotism? It is a great deal easier to pick out the flaws in my opinion whilst your cards remain hidden!
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    For most people, they don't die for their government, but for their families and friends who live in their home country, and for the ideals their country stands for.
    I agree and I take your point. In my view though, disputes are a result of disagreements between governments in many cases. Propaganda distributed by governments instil populations so that they begin to see one another as enemies. Then patriotism rises.

    I'm not saying that this is how all disputes start but it always plays a big role at leat.
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    I quite like Britain, and am proud to be British.

    Does that mean I hate other cultures? No.

    Does that mean I think other cultures are inferior? No.

    Nothing wrong with being patriotic.

    Patriotism =/= Racism/Fascism/Whatever
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Yeah, mathemagician was taken

    Why do you ask?

    I think as with any emotion, it is a substitute for a purely logical view, e.g.:
    "My countrymen share (to a large extent) my:
    -genes
    -beliefs
    -interests
    so, in order to ensure my genes spread as much as possible, I must be prepared to sacrifice so that they carry on my genes and beliefs, etc."
    Ha. Wow. Not what I was expecting. Those three elements do not resonate with me in terms of sharing them with fellow countrymen more than others, maybe that's why we disagree.

    And I ask because I am a Maths graduate and, up until recently, I was a maths teacher.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Nah, I don't share much with others in this country. I'm not at all patriotic; I'd leave this country if I saw it as a benefit to. But I think many others do; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_selection

    I've an offer for Maths at Cambridge. I couldn't think of any other names, but I do regret my choice
    I had another account with a name that made me less anonymous and so this is a new, anonymous account.

    I, already, don't agree with that wiki page- I am not convinced that altruism truly exists and I certainly don't believe that Kin Selection is wholly altruistic! Interesting though, thanks for the link!
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    I understand

    Biological altruism certainly exists - adoption of orphans, for example. It means decreasing your evolutionary fitness to increase anothers'.

    I think you are confusing it with philosophical altruism, which I too am not certain exists
    I wasn't confused; I just wasn't explicit! I recognise that biological altruism exists!
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    I am a patriotic guy. However, there needs to be a dichotomy between nationalism and patriotism.

    Patriotism is to love one's country, Nationalism is to hate all others
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    I've always seen as you cannot proud to be British as you have never contributed to the things which you are proud of. I know people who are very proud of the British Empire and I ask them how they can be proud of something they have never made any contribution or assistance to, and they can never answer that. I'm a socialist, but I cannot be proud of the NHS because I didn't help establish it. And these inventions you speak of you cannot be proud of simply because a male homo sapiens impregnated a female homo sapiens on a piece of rock and dirt we call Britain and the offspring arranged some matter into a form that did something of interest and then hundreds of solar rotations later you happen to go through the same process of impregnation and birth, and you feel a form of entitlement to take some responsibility and happiness for what that other arrangement of matter did. Furthermore, there is no reason why you cannot be proud of French or German or any other nation's inventions, but you do not call yourself French or German, only British, because you happened to be born on this piece of rock and dirt.
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    (Original post by Anon07079191)
    Further, you are British, and so am I, by nothing other than luck. I was fortunate to be born in a prosperous country and I am not proud of that fortune.
    I was born into my family by nothing other than luck. I still love my family and you probably love yours.

    I was also born into England by nothing other than luck. I love England too.
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    There are a lot of things to be proud of, but there are also a lot of things to be ashamed of, such as killing innocent people over oil, destabilising foreign governments, conquering and stealing valuable resources of poorer countries, and enslaving people because of the colour of their skin.
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    (Original post by Supersaps)
    I was born into my family by nothing other than luck. I still love my family and you probably love yours.

    I was also born into England by nothing other than luck. I love England too.
    I love my family because they are good people.

    England/Britain is a place. I enjoy leaving here and I like Britain but that does not mean I am proud. Pride is derived from achievement, as per it's definition. I did not achieve anything to live in Britain and nor has Britain achieved anything that I am significantly responsible for.

    I also like other places as much as Britain, some I might even like more, but logistics make my life here easier and a better choice.
 
 
 
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