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Fire extinguishers, friends and fines

NB: Anonymous because I know there are a number of people from my year at the same uni who use TSR.

edit: Oh well, nevermind. If Ronald finds out I'll take the flak. (Though if a kind mod could make this anonymous then I'd appreciate it.)

In my halls of residence at uni, I have a circle of friends who are generally sensible people. However there is one friend, let's call him Ronald, who is a mature student (24, although he looks a lot younger) and has one of those 'live only for the minute' attitudes. I know that he was a cocaine addict in the past and did other things such as abusing his position working at a hospital by stealing drugs. These drugs were used to spike the drink of someone who had been stealing orange juice from him, and the guy ended up needing medical treatment.

Last term there was a lot of friction between some of my friends and Ronald due to his recreational drug use which had led to some arguments fuelled by drugs on his side. We thought the issue had been totally resolved but this term things have happened which have started to affect me. Last week he and some friends who are not in my close circle but in that group of people whom you might term acquaintances, went to one of the bars on campus and got drunk (something which I have come to expect from all my friends but I don't see it as a problem by itself). When they got back to halls (it might be important to note that a number of them don't live in these halls) they went crazy with fire extinguishers. They let off several water extinguishers and a powder one which completely filled a room. This left us with only a couple of extinguishers on our floor, which I thought was pretty irresponsible. The next day we were warned by email that further similar incidents would lead to fines being levied. Nothing happened for a week, but tonight the same group of people were up to it again, and I know that Ronald is the ringleader of them all. However, this time they went on what was really a rampage. They let off at least five extinguishers, which they left lying about the halls; tore up cardboard boxes and left them on the stairs; emptied a rubbish bin against someone's door; broke into a cupboard containing audio equipment (broadcasting to the main dining hall) and set it to emit white noise. There was probably some other stuff but I only glimpsed a bit of it while it was happening and saw the aftermath of the rest of it.

Now, I'm pretty sure that our section of the corridor is going to get fined for this collectively unless someone comes forward. Before I do anything I will wait for a notice to be given that we will be fined unless the perpetrators are found, however I really don't like the idea of turning in a supposed friend. Students tend to band together but money essentially rules my life and I have very little of it - a fine might well finish me off at the moment.

Does anyone have some opinions on this situation? Should I grass on Ronald or keep mum about it? I'm thinking that if a fine does come up then we should ask him to pay our shares, but I don't trust him to pay anything, to be honest. He ran up £5,000 in debt on credit cards a few years back and is basically on the run from his creditors. Apparently bailiffs knock on the door of his family home on a regular basis, but his parents tell them that Ronald is estranged from them and they have no idea where he is. Hopefully he will pay up for his friends but I doubt that he has any money to do so.

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Reply 1

I reckon you tell him that if he doesn't come forward, you'll tell them it was him. Who cares if he then doesn't pay it? It's his problem. :s-smilie: He can't expect to go behaving like that and get away with it.

Do you know who the others are? Frankly I'd tell them too. Say you're going to be reporting the lot of them, and if he doesn't pay his share it's their burden to carry, which will make them think twice about siding with him next time he wants to destroy a building.

Might make you unpopular with him, but frankly you don't want friends like him, whether you think you do or not. :s-smilie:

Reply 2

generalebriety
I reckon you tell him that if he doesn't come forward, you'll tell them it was him. Who cares if he then doesn't pay it? It's his problem. :s-smilie: He can't expect to go behaving like that and get away with it.

Do you know who the others are? Frankly I'd tell them too. Say you're going to be reporting the lot of them, and if he doesn't pay his share it's their burden to carry, which will make them think twice about siding with him next time he wants to destroy a building.

Might make you unpopular with him, but frankly you don't want friends like him, whether you think you do or not. :s-smilie:

I have a feeling that doing so would make me quite unpopular with the rest of my friends also. Nobody likes a grass.

Reply 3

Anonymous
I have a feeling that doing so would make me quite unpopular with the rest of my friends also. Nobody likes a grass.

Do the rest of your friends have to pay this fine that they don't deserve to pay too? Are they also struggling for money as much as you are? And if not, how about you quietly suggest they pay your share of the fine in return for you not reporting the guy who did it. :rolleyes: You can't pay money you don't have for something you didn't do, it's not right.

Reply 4

Anonymous
NB: Anonymous because I know there are a number of people from my year at the same uni who use TSR.

edit: Oh well, nevermind. If Ronald finds out I'll take the flak. (Though if a kind mod could make this anonymous then I'd appreciate it.)

In my halls of residence at uni, I have a circle of friends who are generally sensible people. However there is one friend, let's call him Ronald, who is a mature student (24, although he looks a lot younger) and has one of those 'live only for the minute' attitudes. I know that he was a cocaine addict in the past and did other things such as abusing his position working at a hospital by stealing drugs. These drugs were used to spike the drink of someone who had been stealing orange juice from him, and the guy ended up needing medical treatment.

Last term there was a lot of friction between some of my friends and Ronald due to his recreational drug use which had led to some arguments fuelled by drugs on his side. We thought the issue had been totally resolved but this term things have happened which have started to affect me. Last week he and some friends who are not in my close circle but in that group of people whom you might term acquaintances, went to one of the bars on campus and got drunk (something which I have come to expect from all my friends but I don't see it as a problem by itself). When they got back to halls (it might be important to note that a number of them don't live in these halls) they went crazy with fire extinguishers. They let off several water extinguishers and a powder one which completely filled a room. This left us with only a couple of extinguishers on our floor, which I thought was pretty irresponsible. The next day we were warned by email that further similar incidents would lead to fines being levied. Nothing happened for a week, but tonight the same group of people were up to it again, and I know that Ronald is the ringleader of them all. However, this time they went on what was really a rampage. They let off at least five extinguishers, which they left lying about the halls; tore up cardboard boxes and left them on the stairs; emptied a rubbish bin against someone's door; broke into a cupboard containing audio equipment (broadcasting to the main dining hall) and set it to emit white noise. There was probably some other stuff but I only glimpsed a bit of it while it was happening and saw the aftermath of the rest of it.

Now, I'm pretty sure that our section of the corridor is going to get fined for this collectively unless someone comes forward. Before I do anything I will wait for a notice to be given that we will be fined unless the perpetrators are found, however I really don't like the idea of turning in a supposed friend. Students tend to band together but money essentially rules my life and I have very little of it - a fine might well finish me off at the moment.

Does anyone have some opinions on this situation? Should I grass on Ronald or keep mum about it? I'm thinking that if a fine does come up then we should ask him to pay our shares, but I don't trust him to pay anything, to be honest. He ran up £5,000 in debt on credit cards a few years back and is basically on the run from his creditors. Apparently bailiffs knock on the door of his family home on a regular basis, but his parents tell them that Ronald is estranged from them and they have no idea where he is. Hopefully he will pay up for his friends but I doubt that he has any money to do so.



I would inform, otherwise this will continue to happen and probably get worse.

Reply 5

God how old are you?
no one likes a dob?

screw that. laws and rules exist for a reason. this guy is a born loser. you need to learn some life lessons. count losers like this amongst your friends, make exucses for them, and they'll drag you down to their cess pit with them.

Reply 6

I think your friends will change their ideas pretty quickly when they realise just how much they're going to be charged for the damage. At my uni, every person in the flat where fire extinguishers were set off got charged £25 per extinguisher for refilling and damages. It worked out at £50 per person. If your uni works the same way, you could be facing a bill of over £125 each.

Report this loser and save your cash.

Reply 7

Don't sit there and pay for his mistakes, you shouldn't be so worrid about how unpopular it makes you, because you can gurantee that there are others in your dorm who feel just as pissed off as you, you should get everyone who would have to pay this fine that was not involved to sit down and figure out what to do, but letting this guy continuly get away with all this isn't right and your more likley to become unpopular for that.
It doesn't matter about his past or his own financial situation, sometimes you really do just have to think about yourself. He obviously has no respect for you or any of the others who live there if this is the trouble he causes. He needs a good kick up the ass!

Reply 8

Yeah grass him up anonymously then no-one will know for certain that it was you, you don't get find and the doyle that is Ronald (who I am picturing to be a ginger tosser - thanks Harry Potter) can take all the flak and hopefully his nose will fall off due to his prior coke addiction.

Reply 9

kftjkp
Yeah grass him up anonymously then no-one will know for certain that it was you, you don't get find and the doyle that is Ronald (who I am picturing to be a ginger tosser - thanks Harry Potter) can take all the flak and hopefully his nose will fall off due to his prior coke addiction.


hmmm, i too pictured him as ginger but in my mind he is the CEO of a multi national fast food chain and has paedafilic tendencies..... go figure :rolleyes:

talk to those fools as a group with your other mates, confront them about it and say that this **** has gone far enough and for them to back off or face the consequences, if they dont come forward after that, you should.

or take off one glove, slap ronald in the face and challenge him to a duel

one of those ways has gotta work?

Reply 10

Yeah, this guy is really a lost cause in my opinion. He's 24 (the rest of us are 18/19) but acts like a child. I'm not sure if he cannot connect his actions with consequences or whether he can but misbehaves anyway (I suspect the latter). This has happened a lot recently and has always been caused by excessive alcohol consumption and/or drug taking. He took several ecstasy tablets in one night and then tried to laugh it off the next day when I said it was lucky it didn't cause him some serious damage. I've never seen someone look more like a zombie.

I can get on with almost anyone but I've never had to deal with such a difficult person as him. Last term our group of friends split more or less down the middle - those closer to him and then the rest of us. This term started off more or less unified, but we've all realised (even if it is perhaps an unsaid but shared sentiment) that he's going too far and have quietly isolated ourselves from him - we go out to different places when possible. One of the largest problems, as I see it, with giving him the proverbial boot is the fact that he is sharing a house with some of us next year (!) and that will make things very uncomfortable. Thankfully I'm in a different house but I feel sorry for whoever ends up living with him.

Reply 11

Jamie
God how old are you?
no one likes a dob?

screw that. laws and rules exist for a reason. this guy is a born loser. you need to learn some life lessons. count losers like this amongst your friends, make exucses for them, and they'll drag you down to their cess pit with them.


Listen to this guy ^^^^ he speaks the truth.

TBH, you sound a little scared of this guy?? I mean he's 24 so you know, he might be fairly daunting if you're only 18, but just imagine yourself when your 24 and compare yourself to him.

Also, who are the idiots that are letting the extinguishers off with him? I mean they sound even weaker than Ronald if they are being led to do such idiotic acts. Maybe you should take one of them up on it and get them to sort it out?

Anyway, £125 would be enough for me to make sure this guy ended up crying like a baby-even when I was 18.

Reply 12

he's being selfish. you only get what you give. you've gotta be selfish too in this case because you need that money and you don't wanna get kicked out of uni (which is more than likely if this becomes more and more frequent) you can't afford the fines or the being kicked out and therefore you should tell someone.
also, surely by telling someone you are getting the people he is sharing a house with next year out of excess trouble and damage repayments that will seemingly inevitably occur. they may not realise it at the moment because they're playing follow the leader, but you'll have been a lifesaver to them.
he could also end up doing this to others than those on your floor in your halls. if you know who the ring leader is then tell someone. you and all the other students will end up being thankful for it.

Reply 13

Cowz
Listen to this guy ^^^^ he speaks the truth.

TBH, you sound a little scared of this guy?? I mean he's 24 so you know, he might be fairly daunting if you're only 18, but just imagine yourself when your 24 and compare yourself to him.

Also, who are the idiots that are letting the extinguishers off with him? I mean they sound even weaker than Ronald if they are being led to do such idiotic acts. Maybe you should take one of them up on it and get them to sort it out?

Anyway, £125 would be enough for me to make sure this guy ended up crying like a baby-even when I was 18.

He is about 6 inches shorter than me and very weakly built. I don't fear him and his behaviour has got to stop. I have never been in a similar situation though so that's why I wanted advice. I've always treated friends as friends but this particular scenario is highly polarised and there is a substantial sum of rental money riding on it (i.e. if he gets kicked out of their house next year the rest of them foot the bill and it is also against their contract). He is a paranoid person anyway - the drugs really don't help this - and he will doubtless start asking questions.

Reply 14

The question you need to ask is: would he tell on you to save his cash if he were in your shoes? You know the answer - screw him, save yourself (and your other mates.

Reply 15

You need to tell who was responsible, don't let this guy behave like this and get away with it. If it causes trouble, maybe it's better to get it over with now, because at 24 he's unlikely to suddenly start behaving responsibly next year, and that sort of damage to a house could cost substantially more and lose your friends their deposits. You're lucky that you've not been fined already, if what you described happened at my uni you'd get a lot more than a warning email for far less!

Reply 16

MissHero
You need to tell who was responsible, don't let this guy behave like this and get away with it. If it causes trouble, maybe it's better to get it over with now, because at 24 he's unlikely to suddenly start behaving responsibly next year, and that sort of damage to a house could cost substantially more and lose your friends their deposits. You're lucky that you've not been fined already, if what you described happened at my uni you'd get a lot more than a warning email for far less!

You have no idea how anarchic our halls are, and we have never been fined for a lot of messed-up stuff that has gone on. I'm guessing it's because security is lax so they can't tell if it is residents or people from outside, and the fact that the halls are too gigantic to ever find out who is causing trouble. There have been door-pissings; turds wiped on doorknobs; deliberate setting off of fire alarms; arson; theft of the cleaners' supplies and equipment (a hoover was thrown off a balcony, for example, and a cleaner's trolley was used as a kind of go-kart until the wheels fell off and it was dumped against someone's door). I have one confession to make in this area: an oversight on the part of security meant that a disused door on our floor which leads to a spiral staircase and then to the staff canteen was left unlocked at night. Some of us (about three) found out about it and we sometimes went down there to have a quiet place to unwind in the evenings. Sometimes a huge fruit bowl was left out as well, and the orange-squash dispenser left running, so we might go back with a banana, an apple and a cup of juice or whatever. However, one time some of my friends went down there and discovered that someone had forgotten to lock the main fridge (which is like a fridge in a bar, only bigger and containing food as well as drink). We agreed to keep it quiet and just take a couple of cans of drink or bottles of beer so that it wouldn't be obvious. Someone told one of Ronald's friends though, and they went and just demolished the place. They are so impulsive it's unbelievable really - one of them just shoved their hand into a chocolate gateaux and tore out a chunk of it, and they went away with as much as they could carry. I think there is an acceptable level of silliness but they take it way too far. Needless to say, that door was locked and barred from then on, so their actions caused us to miss out on our own occasional (admittedly also wrong, but impossible to detect as a student raid) evening indulgences.

It has been a year of chaos and I'm wondering whether I should just trust in the past record of non-action by security, or actually do something this time.

Reply 17

Do something before they write out the fines to you. My mates bf doesn't even live in his block, he moved into her room in our block. But his block are always doing similar things, breaking things and just causing mayhem! But even though he was never part of it, or even there he still got fined for it.

Tell whoever before you get fined. Who cares if it makes you a "grass" you're not 10 anymore. I wouldn't pay for anybody else's **** anyway.

Reply 18

People like that are idiots and ruin these things for everyone involved.

A similar thing happened where each person in my block was to be fined £50 for crapping and vandalising the lifts. I think as soon as the fine was announced lots of people anonymously told the staff who it was. Paying for other peoples damages is just too far. :redface:

Reply 19

I have a flatmate who refuses to clean up the kitchen after themselves. Another flatmate's told the security guard about the noise he makes (The first one mentioned lives in the furthest room away from me and the second lives opposite him. I can hear the former's music from my room).

On Sunday (When another one of my flatmates was going home), her parents came and none of us (Flatemate 3, her parents and myself) were happy. Flatmate 3's dad wrote a note which they slipped under the door of flatmate 1. Then I noticed a piece of paper on the door (From when we failed out kitchen inspection).

It said 4 areas needed dealing with and he wrote 'you' by each of the bits that needed to be dealt with and that he'd been away and it had been "pretty fkn clean when he left" (All the mess was his and his alone, though).

Flatemate 3's parents have suggested I complain with them about his mess... but I feel like they'll just force ALL the flatmates to pay, regardless of who made the mess.