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    Alright, I was a libertarian communist (Anarcho Syndicalist) since I was 11 and over the space of a year or so, concession after concession, I found myself at a place where One-nation Toryism was all that made sense. So AMA, go ahead.
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    What first thing prompted you to reconsider your views? And how did that cause a general turnaround?

    Are there any aspects of your former views that you still have a residual attachment to or believe in?
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    are you actually a mole for the KGB ?
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    (Original post by gladders)
    What first thing prompted you to reconsider your views? And how did that cause a general turnaround?

    Are there any aspects of your former views that you still have a residual attachment to or believe in?
    For a start I'll say that it's for all the same reasons that I was a lib-com that I am now I am a conservative.

    The first thing was probably my support for a strong paternal state, I used to support there being no state at all. I see libertarianism as naive, any form of it, whether it be right or left.
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    (Original post by the bear)
    are you actually a mole for the KGB ?
    Nope, gestapo.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Nope, gestapo.
    much snappier dressers imho

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    (Original post by the bear)
    much snappier dressers imho

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    Hugo Boss didn't **** about.
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    Whats you're favourite policy Cameron's tories have implemented since 2010 (EG gay marriage)?

    Are you voting In or Out?

    In a choice between May/Osborne/ Johnson who would you wish as Con leader?
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Whats you're favourite policy Cameron's tories have implemented since 2010 (EG gay marriage)?

    Are you voting In or Out?

    In a choice between May/Osborne/ Johnson who would you wish as Con leader?
    Increasing the minimum wage, from originally opposing it to then later increasing it shows a great level of maturity in the party.

    I'm on the fence, leaning towards out as I'm heavily euroskeptic but the last thing our economy needs right now is insecurity.

    I'd choose Johnson, though he isn't my favourite. May is despicable, part of a tory party that should have defected to UKIP, and Osbourne is incompetant, can't even stay ahead of Corbyn in the polls.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Increasing the minimum wage, from originally opposing it to then later increasing it shows a great level of maturity in the party.

    I'm on the fence, leaning towards out as I'm heavily euroskeptic but the last thing our economy needs right now is insecurity.

    I'd choose Johnson, though he isn't my favourite. May is despicable, part of a tory party that should have defected to UKIP, and Osbourne is incompetant, can't even stay ahead of Corbyn in the polls.
    Or opportunism!

    A pity

    May's actually voting IN, though i dislike her too. Whilst Osborne is incompetent to some degree, basing that on polls probably isn't a great idea.

    Cant stand Boris. An unpleasant, populist liar

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...lect-committee
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Alright, I was a libertarian communist (Anarcho Syndicalist) since I was 11 and over the space of a year or so, concession after concession, I found myself at a place where One-nation Toryism was all that made sense. So AMA, go ahead.
    I am fiscally centrist, socially liberal.

    I used to be a Conservative, however the last six years under the Tories has been awash with hypocrisy, unfairness and deception.

    Just take the debt for example. The Conservatives keep on telling us we have to 'live within our means' as a pretext to divert money away from our country's most vulnerable. However, how can you justify lowering corporation tax, capital gains tax and the top rate of income tax, whilst simultaneously cutting disability benefits, social entitlements and public services? Believe it or not, under the Conservative government national debt has and is continuing to rise; Britain's annual debt as a percentage of GDP is larger than Greece, Spain, Ireland and the all other countries in western Europe.

    Moreover, when it comes to crime the Conservatives are continuing to turn a blind eye to fact, figures and reason. The UK imprisons more people than any other country in western Europe, and like the US, mostly for non-violent, non-serious offensive like drug abuse and petty theft. The Tories support punitive justice. However, give me an example of one developed country which employs retribution which has a lower crime rate than one which employs rehabilitation? The US has the highest incarceration rate in the western world, indeed in the entire world, yet the US's reoffending rates are threw the roof. The UK has the highest incarceration rate in western Europe, and yet we have the highest recidivism rate in the EU. When countries like Norway, Sweden and Germany employ rehabilitation in their justice system and have low crime and reoffending rates, why does the Tories dismiss this?

    Unfortunately, many people will vote for the Conservatives out of blind pessimism. I don't blame you. However, if you think a Conservative front bench - who don't know what it's like to be vulnerable or disadvantaged - are the best party to represent this country in its entirety then I urge you to take another look.
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    I am fiscally centrist, socially liberal.

    I used to be a Conservative, however the last six years under the Tories has been awash with hypocrisy, unfairness and deception.

    Just take the debt for example. The Conservatives keep on telling us we have to 'live within our means' as a pretext to divert money away from our country's most vulnerable. However, how can you justify lowering corporation tax, capital gains tax and the top rate of income tax, whilst simultaneously cutting disability benefits, social entitlements and public services? Believe it or not, under the Conservative government national debt has and is continuing to rise; Britain's annual debt as a percentage of GDP is larger than Greece, Spain, Ireland and the all other countries in western Europe.

    That's the Conservative's form of Keynesianism. Let the wealth creators have more power to increase wealth and the growth in the economy will result in the state having a stronger platform to protect those that most need it, protect and improve funding for the NHS, improve our nation's defences etc.

    Moreover, when it comes to crime the Conservatives are continuing to turn a blind eye to fact, figures and reason. The UK imprisons more people than any other country in western Europe, and like the US, mostly for non-violent, non-serious offensive like drug abuse and petty theft. The Tories support punitive justice. However, give me an example of one developed country which employs retribution which has a lower crime rate than one which employs rehabilitation? The US has the highest incarceration rate in the western world, indeed in the entire world, yet the US's reoffending rates are threw the roof. The UK has the highest incarceration rate in western Europe, and yet we have the highest recidivism rate in the EU. When countries like Norway, Sweden and Germany employ rehabilitation in their justice system and have low crime and reoffending rates, why does the Tories dismiss this?

    This is purely ideological, that's why it's dismissed. However, there are plenty of Tories that do believe in rehabilitative efforts in our prisons, unfortunately with someone like Theresa May as Home Sec it's not hard to see why not much has been done.

    Unfortunately, many people will vote for the Conservatives out of blind pessimism. I don't blame you. However, if you think a Conservative front bench - who don't know what it's like to be vulnerable or disadvantaged - are the best party to represent this country in its entirety then I urge you to take another look.
    Me, I'm as working class as it gets, I think that John Major/Harold Macmillan best represent the form of Conservatism that I advocate. The belief that no matter where you come from or what your situation is that you can achieve whatever you set your mind to is why the Tories are the best to represent this country.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Or opportunism!

    A pity

    May's actually voting IN, though i dislike her too. Whilst Osborne is incompetent to some degree, basing that on polls probably isn't a great idea.

    Cant stand Boris. An unpleasant, populist liar

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...lect-committee
    Boris may be a populist, but if he means that the Tories win the next election then out of the three you offered me, I'd have to choose him. I imagine that if Ruth Davidson weren't stuck in Scotland then she'd be the best to lead the party, though I support Gove.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Me, I'm as working class as it gets, I think that John Major/Harold Macmillan best represent the form of Conservatism that I advocate. The belief that no matter where you come from or what your situation is that you can achieve whatever you set your mind to is why the Tories are the best to represent this country.
    The Conservative philosophy for economic growth is one of prosperity. As I said before, I'm fiscally centrist, I have a degree in Economics, and I support an economy which advocates the free market and opportunity.

    However, economic growth isn't achieved by the wealthy who manipulate currency through capital interest. By taxing the rich more, that's more money going to those on the lower end of the socioeconomic scale - who by the way are more likely to contribute to the consumer market. Having a healthy and active consumer market is perhaps the biggest contributor towards sustained economic growth.

    I agree with low corporation tax, however I don't support lowering corporation tax to levels lower than other European rivals like France and Germany. Why? Because it's pointless. When a business, a multi-national business, wants to invest in Europe they will look at three countries: Britain, France and Germany. The UK already has an advantage in that it's an English speaking market with access to the EU, of course low corporation tax is an incentive too, but lowering corporation tax to 17%, when Germany's and France's are 25%-35%, is arbitrarily diverting money away from the public for no logical reason.

    I should just say that I am also working class; I'm from Middlesbrough (Premier League next season!); and I have witnessed, in my neighbourhood, how desperate the economic situation has become for some. It's just unbeknown to me how people can dismiss the most vulnerable. I would happily pay 50% tax if it meant giving a single parent more money each month.
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    (Original post by jake4198)
    The Conservative philosophy for economic growth is one of prosperity. As I said before, I'm fiscally centrist, I have a degree in Economics, and I support an economy which advocates the free market and opportunity.

    However, economic growth isn't achieved by the wealthy who manipulate currency through capital interest. By taxing the rich more, that's more money going to those on the lower end of the socioeconomic scale - who by the way are more likely to contribute to the consumer market. Having a healthy and active consumer market is perhaps the biggest contributor towards sustained economic growth.

    I agree with low corporation tax, however I don't support lowering corporation tax to levels lower than other European rivals like France and Germany. Why? Because it's pointless. When a business, a multi-national business, wants to invest in Europe they will look at three countries: Britain, France and Germany. The UK already has an advantage in that it's an English speaking market with access to the EU, of course low corporation tax is an incentive too, but lowering corporation tax to 17%, when Germany's and France's are 25%-35%, is arbitrarily diverting money away from the public for no logical reason.

    I should just say that I am also working class; I'm from Middlesbrough (Premier League next season!); and I have witnessed, in my neighbourhood, how desperate the economic situation has become for some. It's just unbeknown to me how people can dismiss the most vulnerable. I would happily pay 50% tax if it meant giving a single parent more money each month.
    We're going to agree a lot in terms of economics, I'm very much centrist-center right. I support a free market but it's obvious that without state intervention that it isn't sustainable. I'm just not very liberal.
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    Libertarian communist at the age of 11? :eek: What was it that made you that way (ignoring that as a 11 years old child, you were probably just being silly rather than actually aware of the implications)?
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Libertarian communist at the age of 11? :eek: What was it that made you that way (ignoring that as a 11 years old child, you were probably just being silly rather than actually aware of the implications)?
    I remember being given a task at school;

    Imagine a plane crashing on a desert island, you and 50 other people (engineers, doctors, cleaners, etc.) survive and have to form a society. There is plenty of livestock on this island, a neighbouring island which is inhabited by other people contains gold and several other riches. How would you form this new society?

    I can't remember my exact answer, but it was the essence of anarcho-syndicalism, every working in order to make sure that shelters are built and food is farmed, everything shared out equally. There was also a non-interventionalist stance regarding the neighbouring island.

    My classmates seemed to have other ideas, plenty suggesting that the most important people get the largest share of food and the best shelter depending on what they do, they also advocated invading the neighbouring island and taking their resources, using the gold as a currency. Some classmates, decided that they'd be supreme rulers of the island, with the ultimate aim of gaining as much territory as possible.

    Ultimately, we descended into three factions, the socialists, the capitalists, and the fascists.
 
 
 
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