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Wall Street Journal Runs Full-Page Ad Denying Armenian Genocide Watch

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    “Truth = Peace,” the ad reads. A hand with the Turkish flag makes a peace sign, while two hands crossing their fingers have the Russian and Armenian flags on them.

    The ad directs readers to visit FactCheckArmenia.com to get the real story. The site in question excuses in broken English the mass killing and removal of the Armenians during the First World War by claiming they were “collectively guilty” of treason against the Ottoman Empire.

    "Armenians gave the greatest harm to the Turkish people, by the massacring them during the First World War. In this period, the Armenians spied for the Russians, they fled from their military service, by not obeying the mobilisation orders, and those Armenians who were taken under arms joining onto the Russian Army, with their arms, and they thus committed collectively the guilt of being treacherous to the land“.

    In 2015, the Washington Post also ran a full-page ad urging President Obama and Congress not to recognize the Armenian genocide.

    http://www.mediaite.com/print/wall-s...nian-genocide/

    The Armenian Genocide was the Ottoman government's extermination of its Armenian subjects inside their historic homeland, which lies within present-day Turkey. The number of victims is estimated at up to 1.5 million.

    Other indigenous and Christian ethnic groups such as the Assyrians and the Ottoman Greeks were similarly targeted for extermination. The Armenian Genocide is acknowledged to have been one of the first modern genocides.

    Most historians view it as a genocide; however, Germany voted to recognise the genocide only last year, causing a diplomatic rift with Turkey, while the UK and US still do not recognise it.
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    Ok what a brilliant idea. Next assad of syria would do the same, buy and put ads on media (since political ads is legal in usa). And then kim jong un, south sudan, uganda, ...etc will follow suit and buy ads space on us media, set up website to deny genocide..soon u will have holocaust denying ads up as well.

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    It is because not many care about small nations
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    (Original post by M14B)
    It is because not many care about small nations
    Turkey is not small. Many should care about their continued denial of the Ottoman's genocide of millions of people.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    “Truth = Peace,” the ad reads. A hand with the Turkish flag makes a peace sign, while two hands crossing their fingers have the Russian and Armenian flags on them.

    The ad directs readers to visit FactCheckArmenia.com to get the real story. The site in question excuses in broken English the mass killing and removal of the Armenians during the First World War by claiming they were “collectively guilty” of treason against the Ottoman Empire.

    "Armenians gave the greatest harm to the Turkish people, by the massacring them during the First World War. In this period, the Armenians spied for the Russians, they fled from their military service, by not obeying the mobilisation orders, and those Armenians who were taken under arms joining onto the Russian Army, with their arms, and they thus committed collectively the guilt of being treacherous to the land“.
    Well hang on - is this ad denying the Armenian genocide, or is it justifying the Armenian genocide? Those are very different things.

    To draw an analogy with Holocaust denial, David Irving suggests that Jews weren't murdered in gas chambers at Auschwitz; he doesn't say that the Jews murdered in gas chambers at Auschwitz had it coming.

    The ad itself does not seem to deny that the genocide took place anywhere:



    In fact the quote from the Armenian government it is carrying reads more like, "We didn't think they were serious about murdering us all - maybe we should have been more careful."
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    (Original post by Observatory)
    Well hang on - is this ad denying the Armenian genocide, or is it justifying the Armenian genocide? Those are very different things.

    To draw an analogy with Holocaust denial, David Irving suggests that Jews weren't murdered in gas chambers at Auschwitz; he doesn't say that the Jews murdered in gas chambers at Auschwitz had it coming.

    The ad itself does not seem to deny that the genocide took place anywhere:

    In fact the quote from the Armenian government it is carrying reads more like, "We didn't think they were serious about murdering us all - maybe we should have been more careful."
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    (Original post by Observatory)
    Well hang on - is this ad denying the Armenian genocide, or is it justifying the Armenian genocide? Those are very different things.

    To draw an analogy with Holocaust denial, David Irving suggests that Jews weren't murdered in gas chambers at Auschwitz; he doesn't say that the Jews murdered in gas chambers at Auschwitz had it coming.
    There is a significant overlap in genocide denial generally though. At the same time as trying to deny and minimise Nazi crimes, Irving has also tried to justify, rationalise and mitigate other Nazi racism and crimes.

    It's a similar story with the Armenians. Deniers try to both minimise the numbers killed and try to justify or mitigate the killings they accept did take place.

    There's also the question of intent denial. Armenian genocide deniers typically claim the Ottoman government did not intend to kill Armenians, only to deport them, but most scholars of the genocide have long accepted that the Ottoman government knew full well these 'deportations' were fatal.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    There is a significant overlap in genocide denial generally though. At the same time as trying to deny and minimise Nazi crimes, Irving has also tried to justify, rationalise and mitigate other Nazi racism and crimes.

    It's a similar story with the Armenians. Deniers try to both minimise the numbers killed and try to justify or mitigate the killings they accept did take place.

    There's also the question of intent denial. Armenian genocide deniers typically claim the Ottoman government did not intend to kill Armenians, only to deport them, but most scholars of the genocide have long accepted that the Ottoman government knew full well these 'deportations' were fatal.
    While I agree that most Holocaust deniers seem to be people who really like Nazi Germany in general, I have never come across any public figure explicitly argue that the Holocaust was a good thing, or would have been a good thing, regardless of whether or not they think it happened. In countries like Germany where it is illegal to deny the Holocaust, is it illegal to simply say you approve of the Holocaust? Maybe, but I'm not sure, it's just not really a question that ever comes up.

    On this ad though I see not even an attempt to deny the genocide. It actually reads much more like a threat: "Stop talking about this, if you know what's good for you. The Armenians didn't show us sufficient respect once upon a time, and look what happened to them.".
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    This is a claim as long as you dont prove it in a court. Armenian and Turkish sides should face in an international court but there is no such an attempt. Western countries want Turkish side to accept Armenian claims unconditionally. This is not democratic, this is rudeness.
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    (Original post by SemiteLog)
    This is a claim as long as you dont prove it in a court. Armenian and Turkish sides should face in an international court but there is no such an attempt. Western countries want Turkish side to accept Armenian claims unconditionally. This is not democratic, this is rudeness.
    The question is would turkey go to the international court ?
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    At least Cenk Uygur is happy...

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    (Original post by HucktheForde)
    The question is would turkey go to the international court ?
    This cant be an excuse, we cant know without trying. It will stay as "claim" as long as this process is not done.
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    (Original post by SemiteLog)
    This cant be an excuse, we cant know without trying. It will stay as "claim" as long as this process is not done.
    Correct, "armenian genocide did not happened" would remain as a claim as long as turkey does not go to international court
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    (Original post by SemiteLog)
    This cant be an excuse, we cant know without trying. It will stay as "claim" as long as this process is not done.
    The Armenian genocide is a matter of historical record and is not doubted by serious historians.
 
 
 
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