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Rejected because I was TOO GOOD??

I have an HND which allows me to apply into the 2nd year of a BDes (4 year course).

The problem is that the course I applied to is brand new this year and there is no 2nd year, so I had to apply for 1st year.

They've rejected me and said I should apply for the 2nd year in a years time since I have an HND. This is bull*** in my opinion. Surely they should just let me on the 1st year since I'll have to wait a year anyway before applying to the 2nd year. How can you reject someone for being overqualified? Surely it's my choice if I want to "waste time" on the 1st year at the expense of some arse with a weaker portfolio of work than me.

If I had made my portfolio WORSE then I would've had a better chance of being accepted. Surely that's bull.

What sort of legal rights are there on this type of thing? I'm willing to take them to the cleaners over this.

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maybe so that they can give your place to someone who doesn't have the experience you have already?
Reply 2
Well as so many people on this board took the pleasure of rubbing in when Edinburgh rejected me - "a university has the right to reject a candidate whatever their qualifications" - even though the requirements were BBB and I had AAAA Dist, Dist.. LOL.. The system sucks mate... who knows where their crazy rationale comes from..!!
Reply 3
maybe so that they can give your place to someone who doesn't have the experience you have already?

But that's not a proper excuse. I'm being punished for being smarter and more pro-active (learning Photoshop, XHTML, CSS, website design etc etc) than some dumb punk?

I wouldn't mind if I was guaranteed a place in the 2nd year. I'd get a job and wait until Sep 2008, but I might even get rejected for 2nd year, you never know.

I don't want to be mean to some of the guys at the interview with me, but they looked like a bunch of wasters. Only 1 of them I was guessing would've had as good a portfolio as me. If any of the other lot got onto the course then it's BS.

Well as so many people on this board took the pleasure of rubbing in when Edinburgh rejected me - "a university has the right to reject a candidate whatever their qualifications" - even though the requirements were BBB and I had AAAA Dist, Dist.. LOL.. The system sucks mate... who knows where their crazy rationale comes from..!!

I got rejected from Edinburgh too actually. So did someone at the interview for that 1st year course I was talking about. Edinburgh college of art was pretentious as hell though anyway.
you mean you didn't even get a 'deferred' entry for 2008??
Reply 5
I didn't apply for deferred and they didn't mention anything. Although I think they're sending a letter to me which should arrive tomorrow'ish. It'll probably just say "apply next year".

Already emailed the dpt head and they never said my portfolio wasn't good enough.
you never know.. maybe they have kept a place for you next year.
Reply 7
That's the other thing. If they haven't kept a place then it'll be hard to get into year 2 because there will only be a few places. All the 1st years would be moving into 2nd year so I guess the only spaces will be from people who dropped out.
well on my course there was one person who joined in in second term. He had dropped out the last year due to personal reasons, so he was able to return the next year.

But.. I think you need to see what the letter specifically says, because if it says: apply next year, hard luck. But if it sounds as though they are keeping a place for you.. you can rant and rave about it next year if they don't offer you a place.
but there's no harm in trying to apply next year - and send the letter as well so that they know that they told you to apply next year.
Reply 9
Y so mad? U get to chill out for a year and jump straight into the second year-its all good from where I'm looking......'lucho22' - that sucks u had aaaa plus 2 distinctions, u clever boy and they didnt want you - what the hell? how could someone sit there with a straight face and they say you dont meet thier requirements?...wierd....Im starting to feel nervous now...
Reply 10
lara525
Y so mad? U get to chill out for a year and jump straight into the second year-its all good from where I'm looking......'lucho22' - that sucks u had aaaa plus 2 distinctions, u clever boy and they didnt want you - what the hell? how could someone sit there with a straight face and they say you dont meet thier requirements?...wierd....Im starting to feel nervous now...

It's not as easy as jumping straight in next year since there will be less places like I said. All the first years will be moving into 2nd year. I doubt I'd be the only one with an HND applying either.
Reply 11
Maybe it's attitude? :P Only a part of applying involves academic merit. People get refused when they have AAA for BBB courses because they don't have the work experience that BBB guy has, or they didn't have nearly so good a Personal Statement. Grades alone don't secure your place.

Surely they should just let me on the 1st year since I'll have to wait a year anyway before applying to the 2nd year. How can you reject someone for being overqualified? Surely it's my choice if I want to "waste time" on the 1st year at the expense of some arse with a weaker portfolio of work than me.


Because you could reapply in the 2nd year and allow someone else to join the course for the 1st year, and you would BOTH still be there. If you went in the first year, only you would be.

What's the harm? Why not just take a year out, apply for 2nd year, do some work or something, save some cash? You wouldn't lose time.
Reply 12
I don't think it was attitude/personal statement etc. They said they had told this to a number of students with a 2 year HND.

What's the harm? Why not just take a year out, apply for 2nd year, do some work or something, save some cash? You wouldn't lose time.

The harm is that there's no guarantee of getting into year 2 because of more competition for a smaller number of places, which in turn affects the rest of my life.
Reply 13
A University is capable of rejecting whoever they want.
Reply 14
Firstly, I hate your attitude: "some arse with a weaker portfolio than mine". You also refer to these people as "wasters" and a "dumb punk". If they got onto the course, then their portfolios must have been good enough, whether you think they look right or not. For you to even say those things suggests that perhaps your attitude isn't right. Perhaps, believe it or not, your portfolio wasn't good enough.

Also, how do you know none of the other candidates didn't know how to use Photoshop and design websites etc? I know how to do it, and i'm not an art student. lol.

"I don't think it was attitude/personal statement etc. They said they had told this to a number of students with a 2 year HND."

But not all HND students?

And my final point: People get rejected for ebing overqualified for things all the time. Whether it be jobs or educational courses - it happens alot. And bEEt is right, universities can reject whoever they want.
Your HND entitles you to join in the 2nd year because it means you have (theoretically) covered all the course material of the 1sr year. So unless you have forgotten everything you learnt studying for your HND, you aren't going to benefit at all from doing the first year, whereas the person they gave the place to would benefit from it. You can then join next year and start in the same place you would be if you had been accepted into the first year. In the mean time, you can go travelling or get a job. I don't see how this disadvantages you at all.
Reply 16
You are overreacting and you weren't rejected because you were too good at all. You were rejected because you in theory have already completed the equivalent to the first year of the degree so in effect you would be resitting and wasting both your and the universities time, doing something you wont benefit from wasting £3070 tutition fees and just as much in accom and living expenses. If you are that desperate to go to uni this year apply elsewhere.
Reply 17
chongy
Firstly, I hate your attitude: "some arse with a weaker portfolio than mine".

My attitude stinks because I'm pissed off, clearly. I'm a fair guy, and this entire situation is unfair.

You also refer to these people as "wasters" and a "dumb punk". If they got onto the course, then their portfolios must have been good enough, whether you think they look right or not.

Well I can spot who's a chav and who's not from the other side of the street. It's a judgement and it's usually correct.

Also, how do you know none of the other candidates didn't know how to use Photoshop and design websites etc? I know how to do it, and i'm not an art student.

Most of them had laptops with them that I checked out.

Your HND entitles you to join in the 2nd year because it means you have (theoretically) covered all the course material of the 1sr year.

I'd still be paying for the course at the end of the day so it should be partly my decision if I should be allowed to "waste my time" in the 1st year or not. It wouldn't be wasted time either, I'd meet the people on the course etc. If I join in 2nd year then it'll be tougher to get to know people, diving in at the deep end when all the cliques have already been formed.
If the reason you were rejected was because you already have an HND (and unless the uni specifically said that, it could simply be that for whatever reason you weren't good enough, although that seems inconceivable to you) it's probably a good thing because it would be a complete waste of a year and money from both your point of view and theirs. Other people who don't have an HND need a place in the first year, whereas you don't, so I don't see what's wrong with prioritising them over you. Either apply somewhere else or take a gap year and apply next year. To be perfectly honest, this thread just makes you sound really arrogant. Unis have the right to reject whoever they think isn't suited to the uni/course for whatever reason and you have no more of a God given right to a place than anyone else.
Reply 19
st4rdog
My attitude stinks because I'm pissed off, clearly. I'm a fair guy, and this entire situation is unfair.


Well I can spot who's a chav and who's not from the other side of the street. It's a judgement and it's usually correct.

I'd still be paying for the course at the end of the day so it should be partly my decision if I should be allowed to "waste my time" in the 1st year or not. It wouldn't be wasted time either, I'd meet the people on the course etc. If I join in 2nd year then it'll be tougher to get to know people, diving in at the deep end when all the cliques have already been formed.


I'm wondering why you're so concerned about fitting in when you start in the second year, if you've already made these judgements that because the other potentials dressed a certain way, (looked like chavs) they weren't good enough, and weren't capable of the same work as you; also noticed you said another uni was too pretentious - sounds to me like you'd fit in fine at whatever university that was.
You've already had opportunities and some of these other people haven't, that doesn't make you any better than them and it doesn't give you the right to insult them all, they've got just as much right to a place on that course as you have, and more right to the first year since you've essentially already completed it.
Just take the year out like someone suggested, it'll benefit you in the end because they've suggested you apply again next year, they won't've done that if there'd be no place for you.
Maybe you should stop judging people before you know them, and stop thinking you're better than them; then you'd stand more chance of people liking your attitude when you go for these things.