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Barack Obama: Brexit would put UK at 'back of the queue' in trade talks watch

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    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-politics-live

    Wonder what the leavers have to say about this. Probably the usual rambling about sovereignty, jihadis and immigrants taking our jobs.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-politics-live

    Wonder what the leavers have to say about this. Probably the usual rambling about sovereignty, jihadis and immigrants taking our jobs.
    What's to say? It's exactly as expected and really has no impact. All trade isnt going to stop as soon as the vote is to leave, we have a long period of transition before fully leaving the EU.
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    No idea why Obama's butting in. It isn't his problem at all.
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    he *would* say this, seeing as he's already claimed he wants us to stay - this is just project fear US-style against the UK population. so much for special relationships
    but either way - it wouldn't change anything to "put us at the back of the queue" - we would still trade with them
    for the UK to have good trade with the US is the same concept as the US having good trade with the UK
    so if they want to give us a deterrent to leaving the EU, people should understand that this sort of "encouragement" is US self-harm
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    Well he's had his say but what's the fuss about? Fascists trying to force their opinions down other people's throats I assume
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    No idea why Obama's butting in. It isn't his problem at all.
    Yes it is, it's going to affect the whole world
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-politics-live

    Wonder what the leavers have to say about this. Probably the usual rambling about sovereignty, jihadis and immigrants taking our jobs.
    Typical scaremongering. I'm pretty sure it would be in America's interests/main priorities to negotiate a trade deal with a country that has the 5th largest economy in the world. Let's not forget, this comes from a guy who won't even be President by the time we actually leave the EU (if we do).
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-politics-live

    Wonder what the leavers have to say about this. Probably the usual rambling about sovereignty, jihadis and immigrants taking our jobs.
    Obama can say whatever he wants, he won't be in the White House if Brexit actually happens.
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    No idea why Obama's butting in. It isn't his problem at all.
    Why do the leave voters come out with this pathetic response every time someone of influence disagrees with them? "You're not allowed to have an opinion, you're not even involved in this!!!"

    He's the leader of the most powerful country on the planet, and one of our closest allies. What happens to the UK affects him and the rest of the world. He's far more intelligent than most of the people that will be voting in this referendum. He's entitled to express his concerns, just like you're entitled to throw a tantrum when he does so. And he's entitled to take action to stop us making an unfavourable decision.
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    (Original post by BubbleBoobies)
    he *would* say this, seeing as he's already claimed he wants us to stay - this is just project fear US-style against the UK population. so much for special relationships
    but either way - it wouldn't change anything to "put us at the back of the queue" - we would still trade with them
    for the UK to have good trade with the US is the same concept as the US having good trade with the UK
    so if they want to give us a deterrent to leaving the EU, people should understand that this sort of "encouragement" is US self-harm
    It's incredible how the leader of the US says he's going to do something, and people disagree with him. The level of ignorance and delusion coming from the leave campaign is amazing.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    Why do the leave voters come out with this pathetic response every time someone of influence disagrees with them? "You're not allowed to have an opinion, you're not even involved in this!!!"

    He's the leader of the most powerful country on the planet, and one of our closest allies. What happens to the UK affects him and the rest of the world. He's far more intelligent than most of the people that will be voting in this referendum. He's entitled to express his concerns, just like you're entitled to throw a tantrum when he does so. And he's entitled to take action to stop us making an unfavourable decision.
    Because it's objectionable behaviour. National leaders do not usually go around involving themselves in other countries' elections. It's deeply presumptuous and patronising, not to mention, in this case, flagrantly hypocritical.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    Because it's objectionable behaviour. National leaders do not usually go around involving themselves in other countries' elections. It's deeply presumptuous and patronising, not to mention, in this case, flagrantly hypocritical.
    But it's not an election. It's international politics.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    But it's not an election. It's international politics.
    It literally is an election, friend.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    It literally is an election, friend.
    It's literally not. It's a referendum on an international issue.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    Why do the leave voters come out with this pathetic response every time someone of influence disagrees with them? "You're not allowed to have an opinion, you're not even involved in this!!!"

    He's the leader of the most powerful country on the planet, and one of our closest allies. What happens to the UK affects him and the rest of the world. He's far more intelligent than most of the people that will be voting in this referendum. He's entitled to express his concerns, just like you're entitled to throw a tantrum when he does so. And he's entitled to take action to stop us making an unfavourable decision.
    The guy won't even be in office by the time we get the full effects of leaving EU. He's only worried about his own country I doubt he gives a damn about Europe. You don't see America bringing in millions of migrants like Europe has and being all hush hush whenever there's a murder or rape caused by a "refugee". But yet he can come over and urge us to stay in, even though there's a chance if we do stay in and Turkey and a few other countries (one of which has one of the lowest employment rate in Europe) join, the bad effects are going to outweigh the good.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    Why do the leave voters come out with this pathetic response every time someone of influence disagrees with them? "You're not allowed to have an opinion, you're not even involved in this!!!"
    She didn't say that Obama cannot state his opinion.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    It's incredible how the leader of the US says he's going to do something, and people disagree with him.
    Tell us then... what is he going to do when no longer president once we do leave?
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-politics-live

    Wonder what the leavers have to say about this. Probably the usual rambling about sovereignty, jihadis and immigrants taking our jobs.
    I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to speak his mind, it's just words. It may be a bit rude to "but in" considering he's a foreign leader and the referendum is a domestic issue, but why not? I'll be voting leave, but if the people are so fickle that some foreign president's agenda sways their opinion, that say's more about our democracy than anything else.
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    The guy won't even be in office by the time we get the full effects of leaving EU. He's only worried about his own country I doubt he gives a damn about Europe. You don't see America bringing in millions of migrants like Europe has and being all hush hush whenever there's a murder or rape caused by a "refugee". But yet he can come over and urge us to stay in, even though there's a chance if we do stay in and Turkey and a few other countries (one of which has one of the lowest employment rate in Europe) join, the bad effects are going to outweigh the good.
    It doesn't matter that he won't be in office. He still knows US foreign policy far better than you, or anyone else on the planet. And yet somehow people insist they know better.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    It's literally not. It's a referendum on an international issue.
    It's a matter of British foreign policy which is open for the decision of the British people.

    He is quite entitled to speak for America's interests, or indeed to give his opinion on any matter. What is improper about this is that he is directly involving himself in the campaign.

    Likewise, British politicians are entitled to express their views about Donald Trump, but if David Cameron were to have flown to New York to tell Republican voters to support Kasich instead just before the primary that would have been problematic.

    But it is worse than that. Here, the President is telling the British people that they ought to accept an arrangement which, though it is now trite to say it, America would never contemplate. Whatever else you have to say about it, Boris's piece in the Sun was absolutely right about that.

    I don't dislike Obama, and I'm sure he was pressured by the Prime Minister into sticking his oar in, but it would have been more appropriate for him to refuse.
 
 
 
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