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    If Britain leaves the EU then the US could fall out with Britain for the first time since the American civil war. It could lead to our expulsion from NATO that would leave Britain exposed to external threats such as terror and force Britain to form a relationship with Russia.

    Nearly all NATO members are in the EU or part of North America of which we'd be neither if we left the EU. Also since the US has the biggest influence in NATO they could ask Britain to leave.

    But then if Britain seeks a new relationship with Russia and Putin would that be a bad thing? Russia has the best foreign policy in the Middle East and is best for stability. So maybe if we are forced into a political and or military union with Russia it could be a good thing but if rather we just stayed in the EU as that's best for stability.
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    Lmao. no.
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    The thread regarding this that excludes the baseless speculation about NATO has already been made: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=4035461.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    If Britain leaves the EU then the US could fall out with Britain for the first time since the American civil war. It could lead to our expulsion from NATO that would leave Britain exposed to external threats such as terror and force Britain to form a relationship with Russia.

    Nearly all NATO members are in the EU or part of North America of which we'd be neither if we left the EU. Also since the US has the biggest influence in NATO they could ask Britain to leave.

    But then if Britain seeks a new relationship with Russia and Putin would that be a bad thing? Russia has the best foreign policy in the Middle East and is best for stability. So maybe if we are forced into a political and or military union with Russia it could be a good thing but if rather we just stayed in the EU as that's best for stability.
    Leaving the EU will nit effect the relationship between the US and UK.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    If Britain leaves the EU then the US could fall out with Britain for the first time since the American civil war. It could lead to our expulsion from NATO that would leave Britain exposed to external threats such as terror and force Britain to form a relationship with Russia.
    Lol.
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    Lmao, imagine thinking Obama cares particularly either way. Cameron is just asking in favours and if anything it's backfiring because most of the UK couldn't give a **** less what the Americans think, especially given the **** show their political situation is in.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    Leaving the EU will nit effect the relationship between the US and UK.
    Who should I believe? You and your unfounded optimism or the President of the USA who disagrees with you? Hmmmm. It's a tough one.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    If Britain leaves the EU then the US could fall out with Britain for the first time since the American civil war. It could lead to our expulsion from NATO that would leave Britain exposed to external threats such as terror and force Britain to form a relationship with Russia.

    Nearly all NATO members are in the EU or part of North America of which we'd be neither if we left the EU. Also since the US has the biggest influence in NATO they could ask Britain to leave.

    But then if Britain seeks a new relationship with Russia and Putin would that be a bad thing? Russia has the best foreign policy in the Middle East and is best for stability. So maybe if we are forced into a political and or military union with Russia it could be a good thing but if rather we just stayed in the EU as that's best for stability.
    The US would never force or ask the UK to leave nato as we are her closest Ally.
    So NO

    We would still be the 5th largest economy and a developed western nation.

    Britain has got no interest in joining Russia. No it desnt ahve the best foreign policy. Nobody will be forcing the UK into a military or political union.

    More crazy talk by you.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Who should I believe? You and your unfounded optimism or the President of the USA who disagrees with you? Hmmmm. It's a tough one.
    Me. Obama will not even be the President by the time (if) the UK leaves the EU, even his party may not be in charge.

    Also, his statement does not pass the first test of if information should be trusted / listened to, the common sense / realistic test. There are so many reasons why what he is saying is utter BS, that I needn't even begin to state them.
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    Good. With the way things are going re TTIP, we'll become the 51st state before long.
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    It's crackpot theories like this that discredit the reasonable arguments(the main two IMO being worker's rights and the single market) that I support for staying in. We've been America's closest ally for a long time, before the EU and NATO even came into existence and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.

    Putin's a tyrant who'd love to march back into all of Eastern Europe if he could get away with it, he's certainly no friend of ours.
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    I would love to end our "special" relationship with America, they can't drag us into anymore illegal wars then
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    Obama is not a very popular president, and he upsets Americans on a daily basis. We're rather embarrassed to have him as a leader because he's so weak and has been faithless towards our allies. Many fear that because of his leadership, we're in danger of losing our status as a superpower.

    I think the special relationship is more based on a shared history and language than it is on membership in a specific political organization. The only reason some Americans would want the UK to stay in the EU is to counterbalance the influence of other states. Some businesses also find it convenient to base their EU headquarters in an English-speaking country, and don't want to be forced to actually have headquarters on the continent where many different and unfamiliar languages are spoken.

    If anything, I think the UK leaving the EU would probably hurt our relationship with the remaining EU member states more than it would hurt our relationship with the UK. Because then the EU would probably be less willing to negotiate with us on things like permitting Imperial units as well as Metric ones on labels. The remainder of the EU is far less aligned with our national interests.

    The fact that Americans rarely learn foreign languages and that British English is still mutually intelligible with American English definitely gives you an edge that a lot of other countries lack.

    If the UK leaves the EU, you may be free to implement some pro-business policies that EU membership would have precluded you from implementing. There could be both positive and negative implications for your trade relationships with the US and other countries. It wouldn't be uniformly negative.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Who should I believe? You and your unfounded optimism or the President of the USA who disagrees with you? Hmmmm. It's a tough one.
    You mean the president who is a fair weather friend and has already severely harmed the special relationship, liking to look around the world saying howbsjiy everybody else is despite being an abject failure himself who will slip lines into his own speeches because no. 10 asked him too?

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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    Me. Obama will not even be the President by the time (if) the UK leaves the EU, even his party may not be in charge.

    Also, his statement does not pass the first test of if information should be trusted / listened to, the common sense / realistic test. There are so many reasons why what he is saying is utter BS, that I needn't even begin to state them.
    He wont be president, but what he said is perfectly true and undeniable. At the moment he focus in on a trade agreement with the EU, its taken many years to get this far and they want to complete it. They arent going to drop everything and start negotiations with the UK just because we left, but will carry on with the EU.
    64m people v 450m people. Not a hard choice is it.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    He wont be president, but what he said is perfectly true and undeniable. At the moment he focus in on a trade agreement with the EU, its taken many years to get this far and they want to complete it. They arent going to drop everything and start negotiations with the UK just because we left, but will carry on with the EU.
    64m people v 450m people. Not a hard choice is it.
    Its not one of the or the other. Only a complete moron would think that the US and UK would not complete a trade deal in time for when the UK leaves the EU. It is simply foolish to believe.
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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    Its not one of the or the other. Only a complete moron would think that the US and UK would not complete a trade deal in time for when the UK leaves the EU. It is simply foolish to believe.
    Seriously... I'm yet to find a Brexit advocate who actually offers something substantive rather than the "scaremongering! The UK will not suffer any detriment from an exit at all!" delirium.

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    (Original post by The_Opinion)
    Its not one of the or the other. Only a complete moron would think that the US and UK would not complete a trade deal in time for when the UK leaves the EU. It is simply foolish to believe.
    No, a trade deal takes years to negotiate. We dont have a trade deal now, so we carry on as we are.

    Current TTIP negotiations started in early 2013 and are not expected to be finalised till 2019 or 2020. thats 6-7 years from start to finish. Even if we started now we wouldnt be able to conclude any sort of agreement till after we had left. You really need to look into the realities of trade deals.

    The UK wouldnt be a US priority. So [email protected] your foolish to believe and complete moron comments, becayse what ive explained is reality and shows your lack of understanding of the process.

    If Britain left, then it would continue to trade as it does now, but be excluded the more favourable terms of TTIP.
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    (Original post by jeremy1988)
    Obama is not a very popular president, and he upsets Americans on a daily basis. We're rather embarrassed to have him as a leader because he's so weak and has been faithless towards our allies. Many fear that because of his leadership, we're in danger of losing our status as a superpower.

    I think the special relationship is more based on a shared history and language than it is on membership in a specific political organization. The only reason some Americans would want the UK to stay in the EU is to counterbalance the influence of other states. Some businesses also find it convenient to base their EU headquarters in an English-speaking country, and don't want to be forced to actually have headquarters on the continent where many different and unfamiliar languages are spoken.

    If anything, I think the UK leaving the EU would probably hurt our relationship with the remaining EU member states more than it would hurt our relationship with the UK. Because then the EU would probably be less willing to negotiate with us on things like permitting Imperial units as well as Metric ones on labels. The remainder of the EU is far less aligned with our national interests.

    The fact that Americans rarely learn foreign languages and that British English is still mutually intelligible with American English definitely gives you an edge that a lot of other countries lack.

    If the UK leaves the EU, you may be free to implement some pro-business policies that EU membership would have precluded you from implementing. There could be both positive and negative implications for your trade relationships with the US and other countries. It wouldn't be uniformly negative.
    Good points and agree with you. there are US interests in that they would like the UK in because we have more in common so would exert an influence similar to what they want.

    If we left though we'd still have more in common than any other EU country because of shared histiry, culture, balues, language etc.
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    NATO is outdated anyway. Russia is not a threat.
 
 
 
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