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    Boris on Obama's intervention and our prospects upon leaving the EU:

    We would do very well, trading globally, as we always used to do.
    From Newsnight, 22 April, about 6 minutes in.

    I don't know precisely what he means by that, but I'm guessing he means the UK would do as it did before it was in the EU. This seems to take a little bit of a blinkered view of the world, given that the UK has been a member of the EEC/EC/EU since 1973 - does he not think the world may have changed a little in the intervening 43 years?

    Isn't he really just trying to hark back to the days of Empire when Britain ruled the waves (or was it waived the rules!?)?
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    It was extremely insulting for the Mail to compare the position of Boris Johnson to the Allies during WW2. A complete insult to the suffering, determination and struggle to compare such a buffoon to real heroes who risked everything to prevent harm being done to this country and many others, and equally insulting to compare modern day Germany to the Nazi state.
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    (Original post by typonaut)
    Boris on Obama's intervention and our prospects upon leaving the EU:



    From Newsnight, 22 April, about 6 minutes in.

    I don't know precisely what he means by that, but I'm guessing he means the UK would do as it did before it was in the EU. This seems to take a little bit of a blinkered view of the world, given that the UK has been a member of the EEC/EC/EU since 1973 - does he not think the world may have changed a little in the intervening 43 years?

    Isn't he really just trying to hark back to the days of Empire when Britain ruled the waves (or was it waived the rules!?)?
    Well things have changed, Europe as a whole has stagnated since then and is now in terminal decline; there are now major markets beyond Europe, North America, and a few parts of the Pacific rim.

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    Well things have changed, Europe as a whole has stagnated since then and is now in terminal decline; there are now major markets beyond Europe, North America, and a few parts of the Pacific rim.
    And what exactly could we export to such countries that we don't already?

    it is our lack of a comparative advantage against other countries that stops us trading more with those regions, not the tariffs set by the EU.
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    And what exactly could we export to such countries that we don't already?

    it is our lack of a comparative advantage against other countries that stops us trading more with those regions, not the tariffs set by the EU.
    Are you suggesting that free trade adds nothing, if so the golden argument of remain is rendered useless.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Are you suggesting that free trade adds nothing, if so the golden argument of remain is rendered useless.
    I have no idea how what you just said is relevant.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Well things have changed, Europe as a whole has stagnated since then and is now in terminal decline; there are now major markets beyond Europe, North America, and a few parts of the Pacific rim.
    So Boris is wrong, we won't go back to trading how we used to?

    I'm not sure what you think we could be doing with any other state that we are not already doing.

    You go on about European stagnation, but that promising emerging market Brazil is in real crisis, how is that going to help. Overall I think that it is obvious that wealth, relative to the poorest parts of the world, in Europe and North America, is going to decline - because it's a natural process for that wealth to be redistributed in a global economy (because those poorer countries can undercut the richer ones in terms of labour costs).
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Are you suggesting that free trade adds nothing, if so the golden argument of remain is rendered useless.
    Free trade is just part of the Brexit fantasy. If we had free trade with everyone we'd basically lose more or less all UK manufacturing jobs because other nations, with low labour costs and/or poor working conditions would be able to undercut the UK workforce. Look at how China has affected UK steel production for example.
 
 
 
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