STOP blaming immigrants for your failings

I swear, some people here get so frustrated over what are, in essence discussions on a student forum, it just feels like you're at the PMQs (minus the swearing).

I would like to point out that I referred to "your average jobs" i.e. a cleaner, cashier, chef, plumber, even a low-rank nurse. These kinds of lower tier jobs, that require a minimum amount of experience or qualification. If there is a better way to classify these jobs, somebody let me know (not a native, so my vocabulary is limited). I did not refer to doctors, for many reasons, primarily being that to be able to profess as a doctor you need to pass heavy examinations(theoretical and practical), study kilometres of pages, get qualifications, etc. If you as an unskilled -say- Romanian builder want to get hired in the UK to build bridges, you can take a small role with little to any experience, and progress eventually to something higher. You can sell yourself for far lower than a British person, for the reasons I have already mentioned in my previous post, and thereby get the job instead of him.

From your main post, you did not refer to doctors particularly either, so I don't understand why you're countering my argument with a single example that I didn't even use. If you wanted to debate over foreign doctors exclusively, you could have mentioned that from your OP. You generally referred to the issue of immigrants taking British people's jobs, and so did I.

Anyway, from what I know, it's usually these low-tier British workers, who need a job in building, cleaning, retail, hospitality, that are angry. And they're angry for what I wrote in my initial post. To that I will also add, it's not the business owners who hire people in such businesses, it's the manager. Managers will always aim to get people who can work most for the least amount of money, and these people tend to be foreigners, again, for the reason that I mentioned. Also, if you think that foreign people are not brought into this country illegally to work, specifically because they can be made to work many hours for a pittance and be housed in s**it accommodation, then you're absolutely dreaming. I am aware of the sanctions they could face, but I am also aware that few generally get caught, hence why this is raised as an issue.

Watch your potty mouth. I did not say my preference, I said British taxpayer's preferences. And I did not refer to doctors, I referred to nurses. There are some types of nurses that are not required to take a degree, such as LVNs and LPNs (licensed vocational/practical nurses). Usually, in low urgency medical cases, you will be greeted by one of those, prior to meeting a qualified nurse or a doctor.
Also, if you have any source that highlights the shortage of native British doctors, do share. I am genuinely curious, and know little on this matter.

Lastly: just a friendly suggestion. Aside from vexed opinions, your OP doesn't bring anything to substantiate your view. Add examples if you want people to take you more seriously on this matter.

I would like to point out that I referred to "your average jobs" i.e. a cleaner, cashier, chef, plumber, even a low-rank nurse. These kinds of lower tier jobs, that require a minimum amount of experience or qualification.

Excellent post.

Another factor is that low tier indigenous workers of necessity, will live in the lowest cost areas - which are the areas economic migrants will move to for the very same reason.

You are literally just lying about what you put you said "they are right to have a preference" yeah you dont have a preference in what you cannot control. If there had been a large number of British doctors to start with this would be a valid point.

Further the jobs you listed the British did not want to do in the first place as the majority of them thought they were better than them and left it especially cleaners.


Your argument about wage and salary is quite honestly stupid. Most employers have to pay the minimum wage and they will not give you less because you are a immigrant, and if you are talking about self employed immigrants charging less well thats technically how a business works.



You are acting asif EVERY immigrant is poor and will only reside in working class areas.

I can honestly understand why some native British people, who are being taxed for some services (such as the NHS), would prefer to have -say- a nurse or a doctor who doesn't necessarily speak like the queen, but at least speaks comprehensible English. If in Romania we'd have somebody speaking with a funny accent, everybody would go nuts.

Your second argument is just tosh. There is no fixed affirmative and negative in this statement. It's not like British people either don't want or want these jobs. This varies from area to area. You seem to be forgetting that there are a lot of working class jobseekers in your country. Like you said, it's not like "they have a choice" to ponder whether they're feeling like sweeping the streets or picking up the trash, or cooking for a catering agency, being a plumber or whatever. If they're in serious financial circumstances, they'll be desperate for such jobs.

You are acting asif EVERY immigrant is poor and will only reside in working class areas.

I literally cannot cope with you. You are an IMMIGRANT basically arguing saying immigration is bad.

Im going to answer your last line (i have a-levels to revise for and quite frankly your points are just stupid) if they were desperate for such jobs then so many immigrants would never have gotten them.

There are NUMEROUS threads now on TSR about how "immigrants" are stealing jobs which should be for the British.

Firstly no one is stealing anything from anyone, The British do not have an entitlement to whatever job they desire and if this is what you want then apply it across the board not to just one job. Why dont you apply it to doctors and replace them with only British doctors see where that gets you.

Why dont you stop all the businesses owned by "immigrants" and see how many more people are unemployed. Im sick of seeing British people think they have some sort of high ground over jobs because of their nationality.

If an employer does not hire you DO NOT take your frustration out on blaming immigrants as it is not their fault people do not want to hire you (Also shut up about "they work for cheaper" this is incorrect that job would pay a British person the same)

Further if you are declined from a job stop saying "someone who cant speak English got a job over me" its nothing to brag about infact you should probably go back and resit your GCSE`s if this is the case.

Its boring when people who couldn't even be bothered to get a single qualification think they deserve a job over someone better qualified, give over you have no ENTITLEMENT to anything. Its NOT your company for you to be deciding who SHOULD be hired.

Lastly i think many also forget these "immigrants" are working jobs that the British think they are too good for. Instead of moaning about it do something productive instead of spurting your borderline racism because you are a failure.

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I'm done here, though. Got work to do myself, good luck with your revision.

This isn't necessarily true. For example, imagine a plumber from Romania. He would be happy to do the work for less than the going rate in the UK because it's still more than he would earn in his home country. He thereby undercuts British plumbers, who have to lower their prices.

There are NUMEROUS threads now on TSR about how "immigrants" are stealing jobs which should be for the British.

Firstly no one is stealing anything from anyone, The British do not have an entitlement to whatever job they desire and if this is what you want then apply it across the board not to just one job. Why dont you apply it to doctors and replace them with only British doctors see where that gets you.

Why dont you stop all the businesses owned by "immigrants" and see how many more people are unemployed. Im sick of seeing British people think they have some sort of high ground over jobs because of their nationality.

If an employer does not hire you DO NOT take your frustration out on blaming immigrants as it is not their fault people do not want to hire you (Also shut up about "they work for cheaper" this is incorrect that job would pay a British person the same)

Further if you are declined from a job stop saying "someone who cant speak English got a job over me" its nothing to brag about infact you should probably go back and resit your GCSE`s if this is the case.

Its boring when people who couldn't even be bothered to get a single qualification think they deserve a job over someone better qualified, give over you have no ENTITLEMENT to anything. Its NOT your company for you to be deciding who SHOULD be hired.

Lastly i think many also forget these "immigrants" are working jobs that the British think they are too good for. Instead of moaning about it do something productive instead of spurting your borderline racism because you are a failure.

What does he do, commute to and from Romania on a daily basis? If he lives in the UK he is going to have the same cost of living issues as anyone else living in the UK.

I swear, some people here get so frustrated over what are, in essence discussions on a student forum, it just feels like you're at the PMQs (minus the swearing).

I would like to point out that I referred to "your average jobs" i.e. a cleaner, cashier, chef, plumber, even a low-rank nurse. These kinds of lower tier jobs, that require a minimum amount of experience or qualification. If there is a better way to classify these jobs, somebody let me know (not a native, so my vocabulary is limited). I did not refer to doctors, for many reasons, primarily being that to be able to profess as a doctor you need to pass heavy examinations(theoretical and practical), study kilometres of pages, get qualifications, etc. If you as an unskilled -say- Romanian builder want to get hired in the UK to build bridges, you can take a small role with little to any experience, and progress eventually to something higher. You can sell yourself for far lower than a British person, for the reasons I have already mentioned in my previous post, and thereby get the job instead of him.

From your main post, you did not refer to doctors particularly either, so I don't understand why you're countering my argument with a single example that I didn't even use. If you wanted to debate over foreign doctors exclusively, you could have mentioned that from your OP. You generally referred to the issue of immigrants taking British people's jobs, and so did I.

Anyway, from what I know, it's usually these low-tier British workers, who need a job in building, cleaning, retail, hospitality, that are angry. And they're angry for what I wrote in my initial post. To that I will also add, it's not the business owners who hire people in such businesses, it's the manager. Managers will always aim to get people who can work most for the least amount of money, and these people tend to be foreigners, again, for the reason that I mentioned. Also, if you think that foreign people are not brought into this country illegally to work, specifically because they can be made to work many hours for a pittance and be housed in s**it accommodation, then you're absolutely dreaming. I am aware of the sanctions they could face, but I am also aware that few generally get caught, hence why this is raised as an issue.

Watch your potty mouth. I did not say my preference, I said British taxpayer's preferences. And I did not refer to doctors, I referred to nurses. There are some types of nurses that are not required to take a degree, such as LVNs and LPNs (licensed vocational/practical nurses). Usually, in low urgency medical cases, you will be greeted by one of those, prior to meeting a qualified nurse or a doctor.
Also, if you have any source that highlights the shortage of native British doctors, do share. I am genuinely curious, and know little on this matter.

Lastly: just a friendly suggestion. Aside from vexed opinions, your OP doesn't bring anything to substantiate your view. Add examples if you want people to take you more seriously on this matter.

There are NUMEROUS threads now on TSR about how "immigrants" are stealing jobs which should be for the British.

Firstly no one is stealing anything from anyone, The British do not have an entitlement to whatever job they desire and if this is what you want then apply it across the board not to just one job. Why dont you apply it to doctors and replace them with only British doctors see where that gets you.

Why dont you stop all the businesses owned by "immigrants" and see how many more people are unemployed. Im sick of seeing British people think they have some sort of high ground over jobs because of their nationality.

If an employer does not hire you DO NOT take your frustration out on blaming immigrants as it is not their fault people do not want to hire you (Also shut up about "they work for cheaper" this is incorrect that job would pay a British person the same)

Further if you are declined from a job stop saying "someone who cant speak English got a job over me" its nothing to brag about infact you should probably go back and resit your GCSE`s if this is the case.

Its boring when people who couldn't even be bothered to get a single qualification think they deserve a job over someone better qualified, give over you have no ENTITLEMENT to anything. Its NOT your company for you to be deciding who SHOULD be hired.

Lastly i think many also forget these "immigrants" are working jobs that the British think they are too good for. Instead of moaning about it do something productive instead of spurting your borderline racism because you are a failure.