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LEAVE - The UK is practically full, A country that can't produce enough food for it's people and has to take imports is not a country that would be safe if there was to be a war.
If we stay the population will continue to increase from immigrants, And the longer we wait the worse the situation will become and the harder it will be for people to choose to leave because imports will be a larger issue as imports deals will be 100% needed so the EU is then the better option but the population will just continue to grow making a war worse off than if it happened in a UK without the EU.
People who say stay in the EU and continue to take imports & immigrants, that is a bad idea as the population will come to a point where if there was a war cutting the UK off from European imports the population will be too damn high to keep everyone fed causing Anarchy and riot's.
If you think war is not going to happen in the UK, it's not impossible Russia like's to come by and test UK response systems and Russia is a country of economic decline right now so they could be looking to take over some land just like the Argies in 1982.
*The UK can currently feed just 85% of the population a good diet without imports, staying in the EU would require more homes for immigrants lowering farming yields from farming lands been used for construction.
If we stay the population will continue to increase from immigrants, And the longer we wait the worse the situation will become and the harder it will be for people to choose to leave because imports will be a larger issue as imports deals will be 100% needed so the EU is then the better option but the population will just continue to grow making a war worse off than if it happened in a UK without the EU.
People who say stay in the EU and continue to take imports & immigrants, that is a bad idea as the population will come to a point where if there was a war cutting the UK off from European imports the population will be too damn high to keep everyone fed causing Anarchy and riot's.
If you think war is not going to happen in the UK, it's not impossible Russia like's to come by and test UK response systems and Russia is a country of economic decline right now so they could be looking to take over some land just like the Argies in 1982.
*The UK can currently feed just 85% of the population a good diet without imports, staying in the EU would require more homes for immigrants lowering farming yields from farming lands been used for construction.
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The whole basis for your ridiculous argument is to leave the EU so the UK can be completely self sufficient?!
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(Original post by shaymarriott)
The whole basis for your ridiculous argument is to leave the EU so the UK can be completely self sufficient?!
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The whole basis for your ridiculous argument is to leave the EU so the UK can be completely self sufficient?!
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Even if we left the EU countries would still have stock to move so many of the current exporters would still send goods to us.
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(Original post by Niltiac229)
In regards to 'we don't want any more immigrants', without immigrants the UK will transition into stage 5 of the Demographic Transition Model as it is now an aging population with more of the dependant population (elders and children) relying on income and pension funds from the independent population. Without immigrants providing more children and adults to earn money going towards pensions, in around 30 years time without immigrants, the pension scheme will be forced into paying a lot less back than what it is now. In the short term there will be no obvious advantages but looking at the future, immigration will save the UK.
In regards to 'we don't want any more immigrants', without immigrants the UK will transition into stage 5 of the Demographic Transition Model as it is now an aging population with more of the dependant population (elders and children) relying on income and pension funds from the independent population. Without immigrants providing more children and adults to earn money going towards pensions, in around 30 years time without immigrants, the pension scheme will be forced into paying a lot less back than what it is now. In the short term there will be no obvious advantages but looking at the future, immigration will save the UK.
I would prefer to LEAVE and have immigrants come over who have skills that are in demand in the UK. The UK has unemployed people so there needs to be jobs for these people, Bringing immigrants in will make it harder for many of these 5% to find a job as there will be more people scrambling to get jobs.
But the UK should have a population cap where we really should not try to go over.
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this isn't the 1 reason. If there was one reason of which there is no doubt, it would be that democratically we have way more power over our own government and laws that govern our nation outside of the EU.
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(Original post by 2016_GCSE)
LEAVE - The UK is practically full, A country that can't produce enough food for it's people and has to take imports is not a country that would be safe if there was to be a war.
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LEAVE - The UK is practically full, A country that can't produce enough food for it's people and has to take imports is not a country that would be safe if there was to be a war.
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% self sufficiency.
1 Australia 173
2 United States 124
3 France 111
4 Germany 80
5 Italy 63
6 United Kingdom 60
7 Switzerland 54
8 South Korea 44
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(Original post by TheNote)
this isn't the 1 reason. If there was one reason of which there is no doubt, it would be that democratically we have way more power over our own government and laws that govern our nation outside of the EU.
this isn't the 1 reason. If there was one reason of which there is no doubt, it would be that democratically we have way more power over our own government and laws that govern our nation outside of the EU.
It's not like the EU has too many ridiculous laws, The UK still has control of quite a few itself & the country hasn't broken in to anarchy so the EU laws must be doing something right.
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we literally get very few immigrants, it's the tabloid papers that make it appear as if immigration is very high in the uk. Compare our statistics to Germany, or Sweden. Few people choose to go to the uk as it is very far from many of the Eastern European countries and they know our economy isn't as good as Germany's or swedens.
"2016_GCSE" is your username. You can't even vote, why are you even bothering? Polls show that those with degrees (therefore more educated) are more likely to vote remain than those with o levels/GCSE level education.
Go back to your homework hun
"2016_GCSE" is your username. You can't even vote, why are you even bothering? Polls show that those with degrees (therefore more educated) are more likely to vote remain than those with o levels/GCSE level education.
Go back to your homework hun
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(Original post by 2016_GCSE)
immigration will save and break the UK, with immigrant family's coming to the UK they have to be housed and children have to be placed in schools filling up places which will increase money spent on schooling rather than pensions.
I would prefer to LEAVE and have immigrants come over who have skills that are in demand in the UK. The UK has unemployed people so there needs to be jobs for these people, Bringing immigrants in will make it harder for many of these 5% to find a job as there will be more people scrambling to get jobs.
But the UK should have a population cap where we really should not try to go over.
immigration will save and break the UK, with immigrant family's coming to the UK they have to be housed and children have to be placed in schools filling up places which will increase money spent on schooling rather than pensions.
I would prefer to LEAVE and have immigrants come over who have skills that are in demand in the UK. The UK has unemployed people so there needs to be jobs for these people, Bringing immigrants in will make it harder for many of these 5% to find a job as there will be more people scrambling to get jobs.
But the UK should have a population cap where we really should not try to go over.
When you say that immigrants are taking money from the education system, this is true however I believe that if immigrants as a whole are earning money in this country, then they will be putting more money in than what they are taking from schools.
In terms of immigrants 'taking our jobs', I don't agree with this. They will have the same chances as every other person applying for that job and if they are the best choice, then so be it- nobody is forcing the employer to accept them. Immigrants are more likely to work harder as they have a lot less to rely on which is certainly not a disadvantage for employers. Also, as we are a wealthier population as a whole, there is a surplus of lower paying jobs that are not wanted by us so them getting those jobs wouldn't even affect us.
Also, another aspect is that the UK to EU trading business. This provides so many jobs and opportunists for trading that would be completely cut off without remaining in the EU. If we did leave, the EU would increase tax on British products sold in their countries and sales would decline greatly. So if you look at it that way, jobs can be lost through either way, at least with staying in the EU, we are getting the advantage of better skill sets and country development, pension stability and many others.
((This has all been learnt in my GCSE Geography class so by partaking in this "debate" thread, I guess it's a valid reason to have abandoned my science revision haha))
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(Original post by 999tigger)
Very few countries are self sufficient in food. Only France in Europe. Your argument is flawed. The UK at the moment chooses to buy food from other countrues based on price and variety. It doesnt mean it couldnt grow more of its own food if the rest of the world vanished.
Very few countries are self sufficient in food. Only France in Europe. Your argument is flawed. The UK at the moment chooses to buy food from other countrues based on price and variety. It doesnt mean it couldnt grow more of its own food if the rest of the world vanished.
If pretty much all the countries in the EU can't have self Sufficiency then why stay in the EU? It's not helping food trade within the EU so we might as well leave and import from those other countries that over produce and aim at reducing our population over the next 50 years.
Not having Self Sufficiency is bad in situations of war, Europe would not fair well in a war if it was to happen any time soon so other countries should focus on reducing there populations & the EU should stop mass immigration or we LEAVE.
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(Original post by 2016_GCSE)
Then countries in Europe need to stop there populations increasing , The UK gets imports of fruits from Spain and Spain would import British goods which is good in a business way giving variety of goods.
If pretty much all the countries in the EU can't have self Sufficiency then why stay in the EU? It's not helping food trade within the EU so we might as well leave and import from those other countries that over produce and aim at reducing our population over the next 50 years.
Not having Self Sufficiency is bad in situations of war, Europe would not fair well in a war if it was to happen any time soon so other countries should focus on reducing there populations & the EU should stop mass immigration or we LEAVE.
Then countries in Europe need to stop there populations increasing , The UK gets imports of fruits from Spain and Spain would import British goods which is good in a business way giving variety of goods.
If pretty much all the countries in the EU can't have self Sufficiency then why stay in the EU? It's not helping food trade within the EU so we might as well leave and import from those other countries that over produce and aim at reducing our population over the next 50 years.
Not having Self Sufficiency is bad in situations of war, Europe would not fair well in a war if it was to happen any time soon so other countries should focus on reducing there populations & the EU should stop mass immigration or we LEAVE.
Why does the EU need to stop its population increasing? most countries are the same they choose to import rather than grow because they can afford to.
They can be self sufficient if they want to but prefer ro make more money manufacturing and using service industries, then import produce cheaply from abroad.
We arent about to enter a war, nut if we were, then we could expan our food production. the other aspect is that any war would likely have devastating consequences , so food wouldnt be the issue. The EU has 450 million people excluding the UK. They must have let in about 1.5m asylim seekers. So less than .0.3% or 3 per thousand. At least 50% of those will be deported.
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(Original post by Niltiac229)
To a certain extent I agree: Selecting immigrants with specialist skill sets would be a good idea as they would be providing a lot more income than an immigrant that was unemployed and on benefits but although would you even begin to administrate a task of going and finding the most promising people in each individual skill set? A population limit should certainly be set though to control this.
When you say that immigrants are taking money from the education system, this is true however I believe that if immigrants as a whole are earning money in this country, then they will be putting more money in than what they are taking from schools.
In terms of immigrants 'taking our jobs', I don't agree with this. They will have the same chances as every other person applying for that job and if they are the best choice, then so be it- nobody is forcing the employer to accept them. Immigrants are more likely to work harder as they have a lot less to rely on which is certainly not a disadvantage for employers. Also, as we are a wealthier population as a whole, there is a surplus of lower paying jobs that are not wanted by us so them getting those jobs wouldn't even affect us.
Also, another aspect is that the UK to EU trading business. This provides so many jobs and opportunists for trading that would be completely cut off without remaining in the EU. If we did leave, the EU would increase tax on British products sold in their countries and sales would decline greatly. So if you look at it that way, jobs can be lost through either way, at least with staying in the EU, we are getting the advantage of better skill sets and country development, pension stability and many others.
To a certain extent I agree: Selecting immigrants with specialist skill sets would be a good idea as they would be providing a lot more income than an immigrant that was unemployed and on benefits but although would you even begin to administrate a task of going and finding the most promising people in each individual skill set? A population limit should certainly be set though to control this.
When you say that immigrants are taking money from the education system, this is true however I believe that if immigrants as a whole are earning money in this country, then they will be putting more money in than what they are taking from schools.
In terms of immigrants 'taking our jobs', I don't agree with this. They will have the same chances as every other person applying for that job and if they are the best choice, then so be it- nobody is forcing the employer to accept them. Immigrants are more likely to work harder as they have a lot less to rely on which is certainly not a disadvantage for employers. Also, as we are a wealthier population as a whole, there is a surplus of lower paying jobs that are not wanted by us so them getting those jobs wouldn't even affect us.
Also, another aspect is that the UK to EU trading business. This provides so many jobs and opportunists for trading that would be completely cut off without remaining in the EU. If we did leave, the EU would increase tax on British products sold in their countries and sales would decline greatly. So if you look at it that way, jobs can be lost through either way, at least with staying in the EU, we are getting the advantage of better skill sets and country development, pension stability and many others.
I think staying in the EU is a short term solution to keeping jobs of workers, But if we leave then we can change the UK to how it should be without EU control of immigration and law.
And those people who say we don't pay money to the EU, They are stupid, Do they really think we pay very little and get things back???
Never the less if we left, that amount of money we give to the EU a day can be spent however the UK want's it to be. The UK get's less back than it put's in to the EU a day so it makes sense to leave and take control of that money rather than the EU controlling what is done with it.
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(Original post by 999tigger)
You do realise we import food from all over the world and no just the EU?
Why does the EU need to stop its population increasing? most countries are the same they choose to import rather than grow because they can afford to.
They can be self sufficient if they want to but prefer ro make more money manufacturing and using service industries, then import produce cheaply from abroad.
We arent about to enter a war, nut if we were, then we could expan our food production. the other aspect is that any war would likely have devastating consequences , so food wouldnt be the issue. The EU has 450 million people excluding the UK. They must have let in about 1.5m asylim seekers. So less than .0.3% or 3 per thousand. At least 50% of those will be deported.
You do realise we import food from all over the world and no just the EU?
Why does the EU need to stop its population increasing? most countries are the same they choose to import rather than grow because they can afford to.
They can be self sufficient if they want to but prefer ro make more money manufacturing and using service industries, then import produce cheaply from abroad.
We arent about to enter a war, nut if we were, then we could expan our food production. the other aspect is that any war would likely have devastating consequences , so food wouldnt be the issue. The EU has 450 million people excluding the UK. They must have let in about 1.5m asylim seekers. So less than .0.3% or 3 per thousand. At least 50% of those will be deported.
Also war is more likely now than it was at the end of the cold war,With issues like North Korea and Russia which likes to regularly go through European airspace with planes capable of using nuclear weapons.
And yes we do import from other countries like the USA and China which are 2 major suppliers, but if the English Channel is cut off in a war then the UK would be doomed with supply's been cut off bringing a easy end to the UK.
And asylum seekers have to be housed and children schooled which takes money and resources.
I still think it is best to leave the EU, Both sides have there Pros and Cons, But I find leaving has more Pros.
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(Original post by 2016_GCSE)
We can't expand our food production.. We would have already if we could have as we have a higher population than we can give food to.
Also war is more likely now than it was at the end of the cold war,With issues like North Korea and Russia which likes to regularly go through European airspace with planes capable of using nuclear weapons.
And yes we do import from other countries like the USA and China which are 2 major suppliers, but if the English Channel is cut off in a war then the UK would be doomed with supply's been cut off bringing a easy end to the UK.
And asylum seekers have to be housed and children schooled which takes money and resources.
I still think it is best to leave the EU, Both sides have there Pros and Cons, But I find leaving has more Pros.
We can't expand our food production.. We would have already if we could have as we have a higher population than we can give food to.
Also war is more likely now than it was at the end of the cold war,With issues like North Korea and Russia which likes to regularly go through European airspace with planes capable of using nuclear weapons.
And yes we do import from other countries like the USA and China which are 2 major suppliers, but if the English Channel is cut off in a war then the UK would be doomed with supply's been cut off bringing a easy end to the UK.
And asylum seekers have to be housed and children schooled which takes money and resources.
I still think it is best to leave the EU, Both sides have there Pros and Cons, But I find leaving has more Pros.
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(Original post by Maker)
Leavers are definitely getting dafter.
Leavers are definitely getting dafter.
Now considering that is accepting every immigrant that comes to the country a good thing?
Then ask if a war was to happen and supply routes blocked would the country be fine?
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2 CHILD POLICY BABY. I'VE BEEN SAYING IT FOR YEARS! IT SOLVES EVERY PROBLEM. THE HOUSING CRISIS, THE NHS, THE ECONOMY, TRANSPORT, EDUCATION.
2 CHILD POLICY WILL SAVE THIS COUNTRY.
Yes I am being serious.
2 CHILD POLICY WILL SAVE THIS COUNTRY.
Yes I am being serious.
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