Leaks about the secret TTIP, negotiated by the EU Commission. Still Remaniacs?

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I decided to quote an article, for those of you who wouldn't have been bothered to read or search up.

Today's publication of the 248-page leak of negotiating documents for the controversial Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) spells the end of the controversial EU-US deal, campaigners said today.

The texts of the TTIP negotiations have been kept strictly secret until today's leak, which reveals European Commission negotiators preparing to trade away key sectors of the European economy in order to win contracts for multinational corporations in the USA.

The leaked documents, which represent 13 of the 17 chapters currently in 'consolidated text' form, also confirm that TTIP will open the door to US producers of genetically modified food and other products banned in the EU for public health and environmental reasons, confirming fears that European regulatory standards will be abandoned in the deal.

Additionally, they show that the USA is refusing to accept any 'reforms' suggested by the EU to the hugely controversial investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) 'corporate court' mechanism, which allows big business to sue governments for lost profits.

Reacting to the publication of the leaked documents, John Hilary, Executive Director of War on Want, said:
"We have long warned that TTIP is a danger to democracy, food safety, jobs and public services. Now we see it is even worse than we feared. Today's leak shows the European Commission preparing to sell us down the river, doing deals behind closed doors that will change the face of European society for ever. It is simply unacceptable that a group of unelected officials should be allowed to contemplate such a thing without any public scrutiny."

Hilary continued: "Today marks the end of TTIP. Total secrecy was the only way the European Commission could keep the European people from learning the truth about these appalling negotiations, and now the cat is out of the bag. We call on the governments of Europe to halt the TTIP talks immediately, disband the EU negotiating team and hold a public inquiry into how such a damaging set of negotiations was ever allowed to get this far."
Source: http://www.waronwant.org/media/massi...pells-end-ttip

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...what's the point here?

EU negotiates controversial international trade treaty.

You do realise most treaties are negotiated in secret until the final text is agreed, right? When was the last time you saw the text of a treaty, in the open, that was still being negotiated?

As it stands, the Commission has issued frequent communications to the Council and the Parliament about TTIP negotiations and Parliament committees have gone to town on it. Meanwhile, Member States remain intimately involved in TTIP negotiations themselves. There will be no surprises in this treaty that HM Government haven't already seen.

A post-Brexit UK would almost certainly arrange to join TTIP (assuming it does complete negotiation), and it would join it from a position of weakness.

And for the record, there's nothing wrong with GM food.
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im so confused, i have no idea why im tagged?
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im so confused, i have no idea why im tagged?
I went through many pages of EU debate on this forum and you popped up. I wasn't sure of your stance so I added you anyway. If you were possibly against Brexit, I tagged you. (That's why I put the "(in case)" by your name. )
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It's like the EU wants us to leave, they just keep digging themselves a bigger hole.
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Nothing wrong with GM food, but the rest of it ought to be torn up and handed to gerbils. That way we'll at least get some use out of it - as a gerbil's chew toy. Have you seen those things gnawing on stuff? Those little paper shredders will be done with it in minutes.
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Did you see the protests when Obama was in Hannover regarding TTIP?

Did you see the Germans cry "let's get out of the EU"?
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...what's the point here?

EU negotiates controversial international trade treaty.

You do realise most treaties are negotiated in secret until the final text is agreed, right? When was the last time you saw the text of a treaty, in the open, that was still being negotiated?

As it stands, the Commission has issued frequent communications to the Council and the Parliament about TTIP negotiations and Parliament committees have gone to town on it. Meanwhile, Member States remain intimately involved in TTIP negotiations themselves. There will be no surprises in this treaty that HM Government haven't already seen.

A post-Brexit UK would almost certainly arrange to join TTIP (assuming it does complete negotiation), and it would join it from a position of weakness.

And for the record, there's nothing wrong with GM food.
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Nothing wrong with GM food, but the rest of it ought to be torn up and handed to gerbils. That way we'll at least get some use out of it - as a gerbil's chew toy. Have you seen those things gnawing on stuff? Those little paper shredders will be done with it in minutes.
P.S. I have nothing against GM food, but we shouldn't be crapped on like that; the ideal system shouldn't be subverted like that.

I don't have time to reply in depth to anyone right now, today or tomorrow, soz, as I have exams this week.

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It's like the EU wants us to leave, they just keep digging themselves a bigger hole.
Do they? I'm opposed to TTIP, but how naive do you have to be to believe that our government wouldn't join whether we're members of the EU or not? At least the EU has more negotiating power and, frankly, a far better track record of representing our interests than our current government.
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So thatttss why Barack Obamamars flew all the way here to tell you how to vote!
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If we leave the EU, we're more likely to be in dodgy trade agreements with the US. Its the Europeans who are dragging their feet.
Considering how much the leavers seem to want trade deals outside the EU, I don't see why they're so upset about TTIP.
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I'm afraid you need to expand OP. Which sectors are being traded away and how?

I'm perfectly fine with importing food from the US (a good thing, cheap imports increase supply and reduce the price) and the Tories in the UK would love to have legal GM food being manufactured in the UK so its a weak argument to suggest this would change outside.
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It's delightful to see Vote Leave types jumping on the TTIP conspiracy bandwagon. It underlines the point that they are everything I'm opposed to in politics.

In fact, we don't just get one conspiracy: we get all the lunacy of fringe politics rolled into one here. Anti-Americanism? Check. GM scaremongering? Check. Pseudo-legal raving about Investor-State Dispute Settlement mechanisms? Check, check, check...

Then to cap it off, a peculiar attachment to European regulatory standards... being put forward to support the abolition of these very same standards. But of course, American food standards couldn't possibly be higher than our own... except for the rather obvious fact that many things openly sold in Britain and Europe have been restricted in the United States.

Throw in weird suggestions about "unelected officials" negotiating a trade deal (as if elected politicians would ever do such a thing) and barking about secrecy when, of course, most trade negotiations are entirely secret and we've got a heady mix of bull-**** to wade through here.
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I'm afraid you need to expand OP. Which sectors are being traded away and how?

I'm perfectly fine with importing food from the US (a good thing, cheap imports increase supply and reduce the price) and the Tories in the UK would love to have legal GM food being manufactured in the UK so its a weak argument to suggest this would change outside.
I can't do it for the next couple of days; I have an external exam this week and another deadline.

I'll get back to you on like Friday.
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People are defending Corporate Tyranny?
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...what's the point here?

EU negotiates controversial international trade treaty.

You do realise most treaties are negotiated in secret until the final text is agreed, right? When was the last time you saw the text of a treaty, in the open, that was still being negotiated?

As it stands, the Commission has issued frequent communications to the Council and the Parliament about TTIP negotiations and Parliament committees have gone to town on it. Meanwhile, Member States remain intimately involved in TTIP negotiations themselves. There will be no surprises in this treaty that HM Government haven't already seen.

A post-Brexit UK would almost certainly arrange to join TTIP (assuming it does complete negotiation), and it would join it from a position of weakness.

And for the record, there's nothing wrong with GM food.
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Do they? I'm opposed to TTIP, but how naive do you have to be to believe that our government wouldn't join whether we're members of the EU or not? At least the EU has more negotiating power and, frankly, a far better track record of representing our interests than our current government.

GMO foods cause cancer
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GMO foods cause cancer
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Didnt know cancer was funny
He wasn't laughing at cancer. He was laughing at your absolutely ludicrous statement about genetic manipulation.
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enough of this goddamn appeasement to brussels and america! the british people have become weak! why are we self loathing haters! if we dont believe in ourselves, who else will? students need to ****ing wake up. by voting in you are in bed with big business over self detemrination whichever way you spin it!
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