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    Hi all,
    This has been in the news a fair bit recently so I was wondering what you guys thought about the legislation. The UK Psychoactive Substances Act 2016, banning sale of so-called 'legal highs', was granted Royal Assent in January 2016 and was due to take force on 6th April. However, reports of difficulties in securing convictions under similar legislation already introduced in Ireland, mostly relating to problems defining the 'psychoactive effect' of any given substance, caused the government to delay the Act's enforcement. On 24th March, government minister Karen Bradley stated that enforcement would follow 'in the spring'. So do you think that the government will follow through on this? Do you think it's a good idea in the first place?
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    I think it's the wrong way to go about things like this. Legalisation has way more benefits. You ban something, you simply send it underground. Criminalising things puts money in the wrong hands and endangers people.

    I'm a firm believer that people have control over their own bodies and lives and should be able to do with that what they will.
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    (Original post by Richci)
    I think it's the wrong way to go about things like this. Legalisation has way more benefits. You ban something, you simply send it underground. Criminalising things puts money in the wrong hands and endangers people.

    I'm a firm believer that people have control over their own bodies and lives and should be able to do with that what they will.
    Except legal highs are complete **** and the majority or people who buy them are dumb adolescents because they're so easy to buy from seedy little stores. Just smoke some weed ffs.
    My mum has fond memories of a kid dying from the college she works at and another getting hospitalised because of dat stuff.
    I'm all for legalising drugs that have a decent pleasure/risk payoff, but **** drugs like legal highs are like slow euthanisation for the socially deprived.
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    (Original post by RobML)
    Except legal highs are complete **** and the majority or people who buy them are dumb adolescents because they're so easy to buy from seedy little stores. Just smoke some weed ffs.
    My mum has fond memories of a kid dying from the college she works at and another getting hospitalised because of dat stuff.
    Perhaps having them regulated and normalised would take the edge off and they'd be a lot less 'cool' and edgy, effectively killing the interest of said dumb adolescents? It's the reason why most teenagers do that kinda stuff. I think they're stupid too, but I think making them illegal which realistically wouldn't limit their availability is pointless and only adding to the problem.
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    (Original post by Richci)
    Perhaps having them regulated and normalised would take the edge off and they'd be a lot less 'cool' and edgy, effectively killing the interest of said dumb adolescents? It's the reason why most teenagers do that kinda stuff. I think they're stupid too, but I think making them illegal which realistically wouldn't limit their availability is pointless and only adding to the problem.
    Except the only reasons legal highs exist is because they can be sold in stores due to legal loopholes. Make other better drugs legal and no one would bother with them apart from desperately poor glue-sniffing types.
    Come on, you must be aware of how awful the "highs" are from these things.
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    (Original post by RobML)
    Except the only reasons legal highs exist is because they can be sold in stores due to legal loopholes. Make other better drugs legal and no one would bother with them apart for desperately poor glue-sniffing types.
    Which returns to my original point, drug legalisation is the answer.

    I wasn't hyping up the current legal highs at all, simply saying making them illegal isn't the answer.
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    (Original post by Richci)
    Which returns to my original point, drug legalisation is the answer.

    I wasn't hyping up the current legal highs at all, simply saying making them illegal isn't the answer.
    Yeah, already said I'm all for legalising tried-and-tested drugs which would hopefully make these pathetic attempts at profiting from the naive obsolete
    Just keeping legal highs legal is useless.
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    (Original post by RobML)
    Yeah, already said I'm all for legalising tried-and-tested drugs which would hopefully make these pathetic attempts at profiting from the naive obsolete
    Just keeping legal highs legal is useless.
    Yeah, I think it's definitely the way forward. I think as long as weed is illegal while alcohol is perfectly fine, there is something SERIOUSLY wrong haha.
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    (Original post by Richci)
    I think it's the wrong way to go about things like this. Legalisation has way more benefits. You ban something, you simply send it underground. Criminalising things puts money in the wrong hands and endangers people.

    I'm a firm believer that people have control over their own bodies and lives and should be able to do with that what they will.
    Yeah, except obesity which cost the UK's economy more than the war on terror (£47bn a year) - I know this has nothing to do with with drugs, but this is replying directly to your bold statement.

    Current legislations against drugs should be kept.

    The only drug I could see ever being legalised is marijuana, but even then there should be laws on consumption, location and possession.
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    (Original post by RobML)
    Except legal highs are complete ****.
    We don't even know how a legal high will be defined how can we know everything being banned is ****?
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    You've messed the question up.

    'Will the ban be banned'
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    Close the company's that make them
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    (Original post by EUTyranny)
    Close the company's that make them
    That make what exactly?
    Most won't be in the UK, how can we close them?
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    Yeah, except obesity which cost the UK's economy more than the war on terror (£47bn a year) - I know this has nothing to do with with drugs, but this is replying directly to your bold statement.
    You want to hand over control of what you eat to the government?
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    (Original post by Richci)
    I think it's the wrong way to go about things like this. Legalisation has way more benefits. You ban something, you simply send it underground. Criminalising things puts money in the wrong hands and endangers people.

    I'm a firm believer that people have control over their own bodies and lives and should be able to do with that what they will.
    You want them legalised ???

    There was a girl at my old college aged 19 with her whole life in front of her. She was intelligent, bubbly very likeable and wanted to be a teacher.
    She took only 1 legal high at a party and suffered a massive brain haemorrhage and brain swelling. She spend 6 months in a coma. She has only made a partial recovery but needs 24 hour nursing care, suffers regular epileptic seizures, blinding headaches and sickness. She has to be spoon fed, unable to use the toilet and has a mental age of a 3 year old. Its highly unlikely she will make much more of a recovery and may not live to be 40.

    That's what LEGAL highs can do to people! And you want this poison kept legalised? What next sell them in sweet shops next to schools so kids don't have to get them from underworld dealers?
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    You want them legalised ???

    There was a girl at my old college aged 19 with her whole life in front of her. She was intelligent, bubbly very likeable and wanted to be a teacher.
    She took only 1 legal high at a party and suffered a massive brain haemorrhage and brain swelling. She spend 6 months in a coma. She has only made a partial recovery but needs 24 hour nursing care, suffers regular epileptic seizures, blinding headaches and sickness. She has to be spoon fed, unable to use the toilet and has a mental age of a 3 year old. Its highly unlikely she will make much more of a recovery and may not live to be 40.

    That's what LEGAL highs can do to people! And you want this poison kept legalised? What next sell them in sweet shops next to schools so kids don't have to get them from underworld dealers?
    Legal highs are already legalised; the clue's in the name.

    I believe he was talking about legalisation of substances as a whole, thereby eliminating the market for the replacements that carry more harmful effects.
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    (Original post by Ambitious1999)
    That's what LEGAL highs can do to people! And you want this poison kept legalised? What next sell them in sweet shops next to schools so kids don't have to get them from underworld dealers?
    Criminalising doesn't stop people harming themselves with drugs and the drug she took probably only exists because of criminalising other safer drugs.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7012561.html
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    Came here expecting to have to explain my points. hovado, JoeTSR. You the real MVP's.

    As for Dodgypirate, I don't particularly see what you're getting at. Your point doesn't add to this discussion at all and even specifically targeting my point that people should have freedom to do what they want to themselves... It doesn't particularly give anything for me to answer or work with?

    Do I think it's good? No, but what are you going to do? Police food? Get real. Humanity is weird and wonderful, you have to accept the lesser of 2 evils. Either you jump into prison camp food rationing or allow obesity to exist and have the medical costs that come as a package deal with freedom to live how you want.

    I think I know what the majority will choose.
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    (Original post by JoeTSR)
    You've messed the question up.

    'Will the ban be banned'
    Yeah I just realised that. Is there any way to change it? It should read "Will the ban be enforced..." FWIW
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    Also if anyone's interested , the Almanis crowd currently puts the ban at about a 30% chance of coming into effect by the end of May: http://app.almanis.com/#/outcomes/383
    Does this seem accurate to you guys?
 
 
 
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