Possible Tory election fraud.

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...le-bus-7853582

Why am not even remotely shocked.
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The worst part is that the BBC has been completely silent about this. What was once one of the most unbiased news corporations in the world - and something to be proud out - has been bullied into submission by the corrupt, self-serving scum that WE elected. Shameful. It's also terrifying how quiet the media has been in general. The corruption runs deep.
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What are you talking about? It's on the BBC's politics page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36203093
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The worst part is that the BBC has been completely silent about this. What was once one of the most unbiased news corporations in the world - and something to be proud out - has been bullied into submission by the corrupt, self-serving scum that WE elected. Shameful. It's also terrifying how quiet the media has been in general. The corruption runs deep.
:rolleyes:

Do some searching before ranting.
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>Daily Mirror
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If David Cameron rigged the election there would be a DM article defending it as 'necessary to stop the socialists' and then everyone would go back to business as though he hadn't just broken the law or democracy.

Our country is so passive :rofl:
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This government are so underhanded its unreal... Cameron and co have literally wiped they're sweaty testicles over the fods of the electorate time and time again



Every policy, every lie, Cameron just like this

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(Original post by gladders)
What are you talking about? It's on the BBC's politics page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36203093
Our government potentially undermined our democratic system, committed a serious crime and gained power illegally. If this was any other party it would be on the front page, not tucked away at the bottom of the politics page. **** sake, Ed Milliband ate a sandwich funny and it was front-page news all over the country for weeks.
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Our government potentially undermined our democratic system, committed a serious crime and gained power illegally.
Well, first, innocent until proven guilty.

Second, we don't know how much this overspend impacted election results. Did it skew marginals and bagged the Tories enough seats for a majority? Or did it mainly pad up already large majorities in safe seats? We don't have an analysis of that yet.

Third, it doesn't invalidate electoral results as it's not electoral fraud. Unless the Tories actively doctored electoral rolls or fabricated the numbers that voted for them, the electoral results of May 2015 are as lawful and as democratic as any other.

I am not defending them if they broke electoral spending rules, but to say it invalidates an election is reaching.

If this was any other party it would be on the front page, not tucked away at the bottom of the politics page. **** sake, Ed Milliband ate a sandwich funny and it was front-page news all over the country for weeks.
It wasn't front page news for the BBC if I recall.
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(Original post by gladders)
Well, first, innocent until proven guilty.

Second, we don't know how much this overspend impacted election results. Did it skew marginals and bagged the Tories enough seats for a majority? Or did it mainly pad up already large majorities in safe seats? We don't have an analysis of that yet.

Third, it doesn't invalidate electoral results as it's not electoral fraud. Unless the Tories actively doctored electoral rolls or fabricated the numbers that voted for them, the electoral results of May 2015 are as lawful and as democratic as any other.

I am not defending them if they broke electoral spending rules, but to say it invalidates an election is reaching.



It wasn't front page news for the BBC if I recall.
Very casual approach to what are serious allegations, given that the Tories only have 331 seats and 29 are under question... No one expected them to get a majority, and yet no one bothered to actually check the reason apparently.

I think our system is a tad broken.
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(Original post by DanteTheDoorKnob)
Very casual approach to what are serious allegations, given that the Tories only have 331 seats and 29 are under question... No one expected them to get a majority, and yet no one bothered to actually check the reason apparently.

I think our system is a tad broken.
I don't think I'm being 'casual'. I'm saying that we don't know yet to what degree this impacted the election results. I concur that these allegations are serious, but it does not bring into question the democratic nature of the election results.
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I don't think I'm being 'casual'. I'm saying that we don't know yet to what degree this impacted the election results. I concur that these allegations are serious, but it does not bring into question the democratic nature of the election results.
Considering they failed to declare funding that was deemed to have considerable influence in 29 marginal seats i'd say it absolutely does bring the democratic nature of the results into account.

Had Labour been allowed to use undeclared funds to host activists and received far more seats than expected I would have thought it reviewed immediately.

It only really shows the astonishing lack of governance and opposition in this country.
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I doubt a few buses and volunteers changed the result of the election. Supporters of Labour should be more confident, surely a few buses didn't cost you the election? Maybe it was policy . As the person stated above, it doesn't invalidate the election, it invalidates it as much as the cup of soup I made on election night invalidates it.

Of course if wrong doing is proved then there should be proper consequences but I do believe that supporters of the Labour Party and those against the Tory Party in general should maybe focus on their own future elections than on the past just because they happened to have bad results. I say this as a person who is centre-right but with no current party affiliation as I have my criticisms of most parties at the moment including the Conservatives.
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(Original post by gladders)
Well, first, innocent until proven guilty.

Second, we don't know how much this overspend impacted election results. Did it skew marginals and bagged the Tories enough seats for a majority?
Well that's where the money went.


(Original post by gladders)
Third, it doesn't invalidate electoral results as it's not electoral fraud. Unless the Tories actively doctored electoral rolls or fabricated the numbers that voted for them, the electoral results of May 2015 are as lawful and as democratic as any other.
Making a false declaration in relation to candidate spending carries a punishment of up to a year in jail and/or an unlimited fine - and anyone found guilty is barred from standing for election as an MP or holding elected office for three years.
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Considering they failed to declare funding that was deemed to have considerable influence in 29 marginal seats i'd say it absolutely does bring the democratic nature of the results into account.

Had Labour been allowed to use undeclared funds to host activists and received far more seats than expected I would have thought it reviewed immediately.

It only really shows the astonishing lack of governance and opposition in this country.
As I said, we can't know that for sure until an investigation takes place, can we? No point going off half-cocked without data to confirm it. We don't even know that the spending took place in 29 marginal seats - it could be in any.

Furthermore, it's £38,000, which seems - to me - to not be a whole lot divided between 29 marginals, let alone among 650 constituencies, so I doubt it was anywhere near enough to sway enough votes to flip a constituency.
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Well that's where the money went.
Do we know that? I may have missed something.

Making a false declaration in relation to candidate spending carries a punishment of up to a year in jail and/or an unlimited fine - and anyone found guilty is barred from standing for election as an MP or holding elected office for three years.
I agree, but that doesn't make last year's election somehow illegitimate or stolen.
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(Original post by gladders)
Do we know that? I may have missed something.



I agree, but that doesn't make last year's election somehow illegitimate or stolen.
They have a majority of 18. We know that, allegedly, they illegally campaigned for 24 seats and won 22 seats. That's 22 Tory MPs in Parliament that shouldn't be (and should, in fact, be in prison). If those 22 seats didn't belong to the Tories they wouldn't have a majority.
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(Original post by gladders)
Do we know that? I may have missed something.
It's about battle bus right? Just follow the battle bus.
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(Original post by TheGuyReturns)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...le-bus-7853582

Why am not even remotely shocked.
Why not?
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Do some searching before ranting.
They have been silent on their television network.

Funny to see the Tory boys here have no actual defense of this disgusting fraud.
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