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    0:57 "Suliman Gani - the honorable member for Tooting has appeared on a platform with him nine times. This man supports IS!"

    What Cameron didn't mention in this rant is that the same Suliman Gani is a Conservative who attended the Conservative Muslim Forum event to try and recruit more Muslim Tory councillors, alongside Goldsmith, Dan Watkins (the Conservative candidate in Sadiq Khan's constituency) and Cabinet minister Justine Greening.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1682433/th...y-backing-imam

    Will Mr Cameron start asking questions about his own party's judgement: given that this man, according to the PM "supports IS", why would the Conservatives want to try and use him to recruit Muslim local election candidates? :holmes:
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    Now. Does 'sharing a platform', mean they agree with them, or that they spoke at the same event?
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    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)
    Now. Does 'sharing a platform', mean they agree with them, or that they spoke at the same event?
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    0:57 "Suliman Gani - the honorable member for Tooting has appeared on a platform with him nine times. This man supports IS!"

    What Cameron didn't mention in this rant is that the same Suliman Gani is a Conservative who attended the Conservative Muslim Forum event to try and recruit more Muslim Tory councillors, alongside Goldsmith, Dan Watkins (the Conservative candidate in Sadiq Khan's constituency) and Cabinet minister Justine Greening.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1682433/th...y-backing-imam

    Will Mr Cameron start asking questions about his own party's judgement: given that this man, according to the PM "supports IS", why would the Conservatives want to try and use him to recruit Muslim local election candidates? :holmes:
    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)
    Now. Does 'sharing a platform', mean they agree with them, or that they spoke at the same event?
    Both points are correct, "sharing" a platform does not equate to agreeing with others' points of views, it merely means they attended the same event, what was said in the event never seems to be emphasised by the Conservatives at all, because the accusations are unsubstantiated.

    The man they accused of being an IS supporter - Suliman Gani - had never supported ISIL either, he condemned them. The Conservatives sought to support Mr Gani (as he voted Conservative), as a means of increasing support for the Conservatives.

    The scandal upheld by the Conservatives of painting Sadiq Khan as an extremist/sympathiser to extreme views is ludicrous in it self, he's a human rights lawyer, it's his job to represent those he is hired by, and note; the words cited in the scandal are 'unsavoury characters' not 'convicted characters' as they were never convicted only accused.

    The whole campaign has been a farce, had Zac Goldsmith (and his advisers) paid as much attention to promoting Conservative policies ..he still wouldn't have won, though his policies are not greatly different than Labour's policies, Goldsmith is just out-of-touch with the common Londoner. The only reason these accusations against Sadiq Khan have received so much attention is because David Cameron stated them during PMQs, within the walls of parliament, where he cannot be held accountable due to parliamentary privilege (legal immunity).

    This video sums it up well:
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    (Original post by getfunky!)
    Both points are correct, "sharing" a platform does not equate to agreeing with others' points of views, it merely means they attended the same event, what was said in the event never seems to be emphasised by the Conservatives at all, because the accusations are unsubstantiated.
    Exactly: it's just a way of trying to manufacture the link between Sadiq Khan and extremists. They were hoping that if they repeated it often enough then the message the public would hear was Sadiq-extremists-Sadiq-extremists and it would put fear in their minds.

    It looks like what has happened is Conservative Central Office saw Zac's campaign was struggling to get traction: from being the favourite back last autumn, he slipped well below Sadiq in the polls. Zac is not very charismatic which is a problem for running for London mayor, he started talking about housing and transport but very quickly Sadiq took the initiative on those measures. Sadiq had more radical solutions: London living rent, transport fare freeze, and Zac was trying to say those solutions are flawed and won't work. What the electorate heard was: the average Londoner is frustrated with housing and transport and wants something radical, Sadiq has proposed it and now we have a rich toff saying no we can't possibly do that.

    So Conservative Central Office have thought we need to change the landscape of the debate to take the initiative. In the general election campaign last year they had an effective campaign by repeating the line that Ed Miliband would likely go in to coalition with the SNP and that would mean Britain's future would be disproportionately influenced by Scottish Nationalists who don't want the UK to exist. This was playing a bit on English prejudices against Scotland but the difference between this and the Sadiq being an extremist stuff, was that it was based on truth - there was a fair chance of a Labour/SNP coalition of some sort.

    The tactic this time was to repeat the message linking Sadiq to extremists, and to target other ethnic groups with targeted mailshots (eg 'Sadiq will steal the family jewellery of Hindu families) hoping to exploit anti-Muslim feeling in these groups.

    They probably also hoped Sadiq would get himself in to trouble by making controversial statements about Israel or about the West being responsible for terrorism but it soon became clear that he wasn't in for that kind of stuff.

    As Zac seemed reluctant to put the knife in they started getting other big guns like Fallon and the Prime Minister to start saying this including using PMQs to have a dig. Then as the campaign approached the end they turned up the heat, Zac was campaigning on basically nothing other than Sadiq has links to extremists and that Daily Mail article with a picture of 7/7 which was basically saying we have a few days to save the greatest city in the world from being handed over to terrorists.

    This campaign was getting heavily criticised but I expect Central Office were saying, hold your nerve guys, this is just the liberal elite criticising us but the general voters will hear our dog whistle and be sufficiently put off. What they should have seen was that London is a city where UKIP never got any foothold even in their peak popularity, because it's generally liberal on issues of multiculturalism.

    So in the end Sadiq has won pretty easily. The Tory hierachy are now trying to backtrack saying the campaign was just part of the rough and tumble of politics. But they probably realise now that this campaign wasn't worth it, as it's done more harm than good in the long run. Muslims have seen it and realised that the Tory party will exploit anti-Muslim prejudices for their own purposes. Also whilst the PM has piously been lecturing Jeremy Corbyn about anti-semitism, he should start looking at what is going on on Conservative blogs and facebook sites, as the comments are now full of rants about "Londonistan". Again if any Muslims see that it will just confirm their views that the Tory party is generally against Muslims. No doubt some of their supporters would like to take that stand, but the Tories are already toxic amongst various groups, so it doesn't help electorally to toxify the brand amongst Muslims.
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    0:57 "Suliman Gani - the honorable member for Tooting has appeared on a platform with him nine times. This man supports IS!"

    What Cameron didn't mention in this rant is that the same Suliman Gani is a Conservative who attended the Conservative Muslim Forum event to try and recruit more Muslim Tory councillors, alongside Goldsmith, Dan Watkins (the Conservative candidate in Sadiq Khan's constituency) and Cabinet minister Justine Greening.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1682433/th...y-backing-imam

    Will Mr Cameron start asking questions about his own party's judgement: given that this man, according to the PM "supports IS", why would the Conservatives want to try and use him to recruit Muslim local election candidates? :holmes:
    Cameron also said we should refer to Islamists ISIS/Isil/IS as Daesh in order not to confuse. Yet here is is deliberately trying to conflate the supporting of an Islamic State as being the same as supporting Daesh.
 
 
 
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