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# What do I need to get to average 2:1? watch

1. Hi,

I'm currently in my first year of Psychology and unfortunately due to personal issues, I've neglected my work and been unable to achieve the grade that I would've ideally liked to have gotten. Since I've got exams coming up and awaiting essay results, I don't know what my current average is going to be overall. This year, which is my first year is worth 10%. I don't know what I'm going to get but I assume I'll be around the Third - 2:2 mark or so. 45 - 55. My second year is worth 40%. Is it possible to get an average of 2:1 by the end of my second year?

Thanks
2. (Original post by David B)
Hi,

I'm currently in my first year of Psychology and unfortunately due to personal issues, I've neglected my work and been unable to achieve the grade that I would've ideally liked to have gotten. Since I've got exams coming up and awaiting essay results, I don't know what my current average is going to be overall. This year, which is my first year is worth 10%. I don't know what I'm going to get but I assume I'll be around the Third - 2:2 mark or so. 45 - 55. My second year is worth 40%. Is it possible to get an average of 2:1 by the end of my second year?

Thanks
I think I'm working this out right:
If you get 50% in first year, then you will have 5% overall. (half of 10%)
Let's say you score a solid 65% in second year, 65% of the available 40% is 26% - so 31% in total, including first year
That leaves you needing 29% in your third year to reach a 2:1 (60%), which is a grade of 58% in third year.
3. (Original post by _Sinnie_)
I think I'm working this out right:
If you get 50% in first year, then you will have 5% overall. (half of 10%)
Let's say you score a solid 65% in second year, 65% of the available 40% is 26% - so 31% in total, including first year
That leaves you needing 29% in your third year to reach a 2:1 (60%), which is a grade of 58% in third year.
Thank you. The problem is that I want to do a Clinical Doctorate program that's available only to my university. One of the requirements of this is averaging a 2:1 in my second year. However I don't know how to work this out. It's the total average of both first year and second year. Because they are worth different amounts it's harder to work out. Say I get 5% in the first year, what do I need in my second to average a 2:1 in my second year?
4. (Original post by David B)
Thank you. The problem is that I want to do a Clinical Doctorate program that's available only to my university. One of the requirements of this is averaging a 2:1 in my second year. However I don't know how to work this out. It's the total average of both first year and second year. Because they are worth different amounts it's harder to work out. Say I get 5% in the first year, what do I need in my second to average a 2:1 in my second year?
I think that refers purely to scoring an average 2:1 across all the modules in second year only. So, within each year, there are 120(?) credits available, each module will be worth an amount of credits, your overall year mark is calculated from that. So take a module worth 20 credits, you obtain 60% in that module, the next module is worth 40 credits and you obtain 70% in it. Your 60% is counted twice (120) and your 70% is counted four times (280), totaling 400, divided by the total number of 10's (60 credits in total, so 6) = 66.7% - your total mark for that year. For your purpose, that is what they want in your second year.

It is impossible to average a 2:1 in total, by second year, as your first year is worth 10% and second 40%, so even if you aced every module, you'd still only have 50% overall.

I'm curious about this clinical doctorate, what exactly is it? Is it a follow-on from the BSc? The fact they are asking about your second year mark specifically is odd.
5. (Original post by _Sinnie_)
I think that refers purely to scoring an average 2:1 across all the modules in second year only. So, within each year, there are 120(?) credits available, each module will be worth an amount of credits, your overall year mark is calculated from that. So take a module worth 20 credits, you obtain 60% in that module, the next module is worth 40 credits and you obtain 70% in it. Your 60% is counted twice (120) and your 70% is counted four times (280), totaling 400, divided by the total number of 10's (60 credits in total, so 6) = 66.7% - your total mark for that year. For your purpose, that is what they want in your second year.

It is impossible to average a 2:1 in total, by second year, as your first year is worth 10% and second 40%, so even if you aced every module, you'd still only have 50% overall.

I'm curious about this clinical doctorate, what exactly is it? Is it a follow-on from the BSc? The fact they are asking about your second year mark specifically is odd.

They require you to be averaging a 2:1 as a requirement for the 3rd year modules related to the doctorate. Only 30 places are available for the modules and 7 places for the doctorate from Hull and 7 places from York university.
6. I only read it quickly, which bit refers to requiring a 2.1 in second year? I couldn't see it. It says you need a 2.1 to get on to the doctorate.

The existence of that programme makes me sad. Academic ability and the ability to be a skilled clinical psychologist are world's apart. That they so casually dismiss the role of previous clinical experience is scary. I feel for the trainees who's first contact with a patient is in their first placement and their supervisor is super busy and just expects them to get on with it. There is no shortcut to complement and effective clinical practice.
7. (Original post by _Sinnie_)
I only read it quickly, which bit refers to requiring a 2.1 in second year? I couldn't see it. It says you need a 2.1 to get on to the doctorate.

The existence of that programme makes me sad. Academic ability and the ability to be a skilled clinical psychologist are world's apart. That they so casually dismiss the role of previous clinical experience is scary. I feel for the trainees who's first contact with a patient is in their first placement and their supervisor is super busy and just expects them to get on with it. There is no shortcut to complement and effective clinical practice.
The 2:1 is required for the modules in the third year which are essential for the doctorate. I'm positive that during the doctorate, and by the time that it ends. Individuals will have learned both enough theoretical and practical knowledge to be an effective Clinical Psychologist. Although, this is just speculation and only when and if I get onto this programme will I completely know the answer to it.

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