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# Another 2 Coordinate Geometry Questions Watch

1. Hi all!

I'm a bit stuck on the following two questions and was wondering whether anybody could give me a hand?

5. Find the equation of the tangents to the circle x^2 + y^2+4x-2y-24=0 at the points where the circle cuts the line y=x.

I substituted x in every time there was a y in the circle equation. Is this right to do?

6. Show that the circles x^2 + y^2 -10x-8y+18 and x^2 + y^2 - 8x -4y+14=0 don't intersect.

I put these two equal to each other as they both equal 0 and then simplified before finding the discriminant using D=b^2-4ac

Thanks in advance for any help
Blake
2. (Original post by Blake Jones)
Hi all!

I'm a bit stuck on the following two questions and was wondering whether anybody could give me a hand?

5. Find the equation of the tangents to the circle x^2 + y^2+4x-2y-24=0 at the points where the circle cuts the line y=x.

I substituted x in every time there was a y in the circle equation. Is this right to do?
Yes? That'll give you the point of tangency, but you still need to find the equation of the tangent at that point.

6. Show that the circles x^2 + y^2 -10x-8y+18 and x^2 + y^2 - 8x -4y+14=0 don't intersect.

I put these two equal to each other as they both equal 0 and then simplified before finding the discriminant using D=b^2-4ac

Thanks in advance for any help
Blake
I'm unsure as to how you used the discriminant since once you equate them and simplify, the x^2 and y^2 cancel out and it's no longer a quadratic equation, but is instead a linear equation.
3. (Original post by Zacken)
Yes? That'll give you the point of tangency, but you still need to find the equation of the tangent at that point.

I'm unsure as to how you used the discriminant since once you equate them and simplify, the x^2 and y^2 cancel out and it's no longer a quadratic equation, but is instead a linear equation.
Pt1 When I did this I got x^2+x-14=0 meaning x=(-1+/-sqrt57)/2 Did you get this too or is this where my mistake has been made?

Pt2 Ah, that's probably where I've gone wrong then... I'll try it again!
x^2 + y^2 -10x-8y+18 = x^2 + y^2 - 8x -4y+14 I think it must have been my bad handwriting! Oops!
-10x-8y+18=14-8x-4y
-2x+4=4y
y=1-1/2x I'm not sure how to show it from this point onwards though

Thanks,
Blake
4. (Original post by Blake Jones)
Pt1 When I did this I got x^2+x-14=0 meaning x=(-1+/-sqrt57)/2 Did you get this too or is this where my mistake has been made?
It is: You should get: .

i.e: the constant term should be 12 not 14.

Pt2 Ah, that's probably where I've gone wrong then... I'll try it again!
x^2 + y^2 -10x-8y+18 = x^2 + y^2 - 8x -4y+14 I think it must have been my bad handwriting! Oops!
-10x-8y+18=14-8x-4y
-2x+4=4y
y=1-1/2x I'm not sure how to show it from this point onwards though

Thanks,
Blake
Okay, so what you have so far is "the circles intersect if and only if it is true that y = 1 - x/2".

Now try plugging this y=1-x/2 into one of your circle equations to get an equation in either only x (or you can sub in x = 2-2y to get an equation in only y) and show that this produces an equation that is not solvable (you could consider the discriminant there).
5. (Original post by Zacken)
It is: You should get: .

i.e: the constant term should be 12 not 14.

Okay, so what you have so far is "the circles intersect if and only if it is true that y = 1 - x/2".

Now try plugging this y=1-x/2 into one of your circle equations to get an equation in either only x (or you can sub in x = 2-2y to get an equation in only y) and show that this produces an equation that is not solvable (you could consider the discriminant there).
Thank you so much! I think working from 6am is starting to take its toll on me! I reckon it's time for a break!
6. (Original post by Zacken)
It is: You should get: .

i.e: the constant term should be 12 not 14.
I've just been carrying on with this question and I have got the x and y values but bearing in mind I'm trying to find the equation of the tangent how do I go about finding the gradient? I have the centre of the circle but no other coordinates.

Thanks again
7. (Original post by Blake Jones)
I've just been carrying on with this question and I have got the x and y values but bearing in mind I'm trying to find the equation of the tangent how do I go about finding the gradient? I have the centre of the circle but no other coordinates.

Thanks again
That's not true, you have the centre and you know that the point on the circumference is (3,3) (from solving your quadratic and you know y=x) and also (-4, -4). (assuming I've solved the quadratic right).

8. (Original post by Zacken)
That's not true, you have the centre and you know that the point on the circumference is (3,3) (from solving your quadratic and you know y=x) and also (-4, -4). (assuming I've solved the quadratic right).

Ah yes I see! I forgot the one on the circumference!
9. (Original post by Blake Jones)
Ah yes I see! I forgot the one on the circumference!
Is it all sorted now? :-)
10. (Original post by Zacken)
Is it all sorted now? :-)
Yep, thank you for all your help! Much appreciated!
11. (Original post by Blake Jones)
Yep, thank you for all your help! Much appreciated!
No worries!

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