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No and I wouldn't do. IIRC, NAGTY was more about providing support for high achievers, so if anything the fact that you've had more support others haven't would count against you. However I doubt it'll have any effect on their decision.
Most people I know tend to view IQ as not particularly meaningful, which while a position I wouldn't agree with, tends to mean it won't make any difference for admissions. They want to know if you're passionate and able about that subject, and that's about it.
Most people I know tend to view IQ as not particularly meaningful, which while a position I wouldn't agree with, tends to mean it won't make any difference for admissions. They want to know if you're passionate and able about that subject, and that's about it.
if you've done anything with MENSA or NAGTY that will aid you towards ur degree, then state it otherwise dont just say i'm a member and then leave it at that. for example im a nagty member and went to two summer schools - one for 3 weeks in the states and one for 3 weeks at warwick to study economics and business management... hence showing that ive gained something relevant from it rather than just stating it
If you're active in MENSA it's worth mentioning. It shows that you've taken an interest in meeting with other intellectuals outside of school at the very least.
Sounds like pretentious twaddle to me.
^^ Agreed. Shady, really, 'other intellectuals'? Come on! Anyone needing to prove their intelligence by joining a poncey 'aren't-we-clever' club like Mensa is not an intellectual in my book. Scoring well on a spatial reasoning test does not make someone 'intellectual', all it tests is sharp mental reflexes.
EDIT: And you need a bit more than that to get you through an Oxbridge degree.
EDIT: And you need a bit more than that to get you through an Oxbridge degree.
Absolutely. "Intellectuals"; a bunch of 16/17 year olds doing their A-levels? Not to be patronising (I'm just finishing my A-levels), it just doesn't really strike me as particularly "intellectual". When I think of intellectual, I'd tend to think of someone who was a bit more erudite! 
NAGTY certainly isn't particularly exclusive, and so not particularly impressive. If you get a typical Oxbridge candidate's set of GCSEs, I think you can are elligible for membership. MENSa is perhaps more impressive, but I don't necessarily think it's a good use of space on your personal statement, and if anything, sounds mildly pretentious, as hinted above. So, in short, no - don't put it down on your PS. Which subject are you/thinking of applying for?
As someone said before, only mention NAGTY if you've done anything relevant to your subject like a summer school or a day course, as they want to see interest in your subject outside of lessons, and ideally use it to say what insights it gave you into the subject. If you havent one anything with it I wouldnt mention it though.
p.s. out of curiosity, what do you do at mensa meetings? I've always wondered, do you just stand around giving each other verbal reasoning problems?
p.s. out of curiosity, what do you do at mensa meetings? I've always wondered, do you just stand around giving each other verbal reasoning problems?
the_alba
^^ Agreed. Shady, really, 'other intellectuals'? Come on! Anyone needing to prove their intelligence by joining a poncey 'aren't-we-clever' club like Mensa is not an intellectual in my book. Scoring well on a spatial reasoning test does not make someone 'intellectual', all it tests is sharp mental reflexes.
EDIT: And you need a bit more than that to get you through an Oxbridge degree.
EDIT: And you need a bit more than that to get you through an Oxbridge degree.
You must not know much about Mensa. I have a very close friend in it, and it's nothing like what you've desribed.
I never said IQ will get you through an Oxbridge degree. But I think it shows some kind of initiative if the OP is active in Mensa (that is, organizes meeting and events, etc.). Mensa allows you to interact with people who are different ages, races, careers, etc. but all share some kind of desire to engage intellectually.
OP: If you can fit it into your PS without missing out something else important, I say go for it. These other posters sound like haters (yes I'm American and it's just the best word to describe it) to be honest.
Mensa
The society's official objectives are to:
* to identify and foster human intelligence for the benefit of humanity
* to encourage research in the nature, characteristics, and uses of intelligence
* to provide a stimulating intellectual and social environment for its members
* to identify and foster human intelligence for the benefit of humanity
* to encourage research in the nature, characteristics, and uses of intelligence
* to provide a stimulating intellectual and social environment for its members
Yeah...totally irrelevant
"Haters"? Dear oh dear. Seeing as most of us who've replied are at/going to Oxbridge (apart from you), I'd hardly say that...
Hey,
I think it's possible that either on the UCAS or Oxbridge forms there is a place where you can tick a box to say that your in NAGTY. I was entered in year 9 but have never done anything related to them eg. summer school. I mean it might look good on your form and it's free to join so you might as well. But like the others have said it probably doesn't make much of a difference.
Hope this helps....
I think it's possible that either on the UCAS or Oxbridge forms there is a place where you can tick a box to say that your in NAGTY. I was entered in year 9 but have never done anything related to them eg. summer school. I mean it might look good on your form and it's free to join so you might as well. But like the others have said it probably doesn't make much of a difference.
Hope this helps....
Visiting_Babylon
"Haters"? Dear oh dear. Seeing as most of us who've replied are at/going to Oxbridge (apart from you), I'd hardly say that...
You and the other posters who were unnecessarily rude to the OP definitely meet this definition. You lot are the same fools who told someone that getting the highest marks in his year at school wasn't revelant to his application.
1. hater
A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person.
Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesnt really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock someone else down a notch.
shady lane
You and the other posters who were unnecessarily rude to the OP definitely meet this definition. You lot are the same fools who told someone that getting the highest marks in his year at school wasn't revelant to his application.
1. hater
A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person.
Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesnt really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock someone else down a notch.
1. hater
A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person.
Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesnt really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock someone else down a notch.
(Ah-hem... How embarrassing.)
I have never made any comments that pertain to the sort that you are referring; I don't even remember coming across such a thread about exam marks, but then again, I do know that you are a lover of generalisations.
Success? Being a member of MENSA is a success? Well, I suppose to some people it would be. My feelings on the matter are quite indifferent. Indifference is actually a stronger feeling than hate in my opinion, as the latter suggests a depth of care which I simply don't have.
Fools? Well, I always thought that it was arrogant posters whom have little or no experience of matters posting on topics that were rather foolish. You seem to be an expert on everything shady; I think we should step down from now on and just let you reply to everything. You're obviously an endless oracle of knowledge about Oxbridge applications, because you applied once yourself? Oh no, you didn't. My mistake.
I think the OP should stick to things which are pertinent to his proposed area of study, if being a member of MENSA or NAGTY takes up a lengthy part of his life then perhaps he should mention it, otherwise to simply say “I’m a member” does sound pretentious.
shady lane
You and the other posters who were unnecessarily rude to the OP definitely meet this definition. You lot are the same fools who told someone that getting the highest marks in his year at school wasn't revelant to his application.
1. hater
A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person.
Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesnt really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock someone else down a notch.
1. hater
A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person.
Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesnt really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock someone else down a notch.
Like schadenfreude?
A summary for the OP: yes, MENSA and NAGTY are definitely achievements, however a lot of Oxbridge applicants are of that calibre and are likely to be members themselves. Although it is definitely something to be proud of, I personally wouldn't waste space on your PS unless you discuss how the society relates to your course or if you just have the space!
Hope that helps, although it is just my opinion...
Visiting_Babylon
Success? Being a member of MENSA is a success? Well, I suppose to some people it would be. My feelings on the matter are quite indifferent. Indifference is actually a stronger feeling than hate in my opinion, as the latter suggests a depth of care which I simply don't have.
Fools? Well, I always thought that it was arrogant posters whom have little or no experience of matters posting on topics that were rather foolish. You seem to be an expert on everything shady; I think we should step down from now on and just let you reply to everything. You're obviously an endless oracle of knowledge about Oxbridge applications, because you applied once yourself? Oh no, you didn't. My mistake.
Fools? Well, I always thought that it was arrogant posters whom have little or no experience of matters posting on topics that were rather foolish. You seem to be an expert on everything shady; I think we should step down from now on and just let you reply to everything. You're obviously an endless oracle of knowledge about Oxbridge applications, because you applied once yourself? Oh no, you didn't. My mistake.
Well I'm not aware that acceptance at Cambridge has given you some kind of innate understanding of what admissions tutors think specifically about Mensa. Or even about personal statements, as you haven't seen the PS's of other accepted students.
I've been higher education for 5 years, you have been in it for none. I have known plenty of professors and a few Oxford tutors in my time at university. I am confident that most academics would consider being active in an organization like Mensa to be a signal for potential achievement.
My friend who is a member has a PhD from one of the world's top universities, an incredibly high paying job, and has published articles in academic journals. Mensa is on his CV and it hasn't been viewed as "pretentious twaddle" by anyone.
Visiting_Babylon
(Ah-hem... How embarrassing.)
I have never made any comments that pertain to the sort that you are referring; I don't even remember coming across such a thread about exam marks, but then again, I do know that you are a lover of generalisations.
Success? Being a member of MENSA is a success? Well, I suppose to some people it would be. My feelings on the matter are quite indifferent. Indifference is actually a stronger feeling than hate in my opinion, as the latter suggests a depth of care which I simply don't have.
Fools? Well, I always thought that it was arrogant posters whom have little or no experience of matters posting on topics that were rather foolish. You seem to be an expert on everything shady; I think we should step down from now on and just let you reply to everything. You're obviously an endless oracle of knowledge about Oxbridge applications, because you applied once yourself? Oh no, you didn't. My mistake.
I think the OP should stick to things which are pertinent to his proposed area of study, if being a member of MENSA or NAGTY takes up a lengthy part of his life then perhaps he should mention it, otherwise to simply say “I’m a member” does sound pretentious.
I have never made any comments that pertain to the sort that you are referring; I don't even remember coming across such a thread about exam marks, but then again, I do know that you are a lover of generalisations.
Success? Being a member of MENSA is a success? Well, I suppose to some people it would be. My feelings on the matter are quite indifferent. Indifference is actually a stronger feeling than hate in my opinion, as the latter suggests a depth of care which I simply don't have.
Fools? Well, I always thought that it was arrogant posters whom have little or no experience of matters posting on topics that were rather foolish. You seem to be an expert on everything shady; I think we should step down from now on and just let you reply to everything. You're obviously an endless oracle of knowledge about Oxbridge applications, because you applied once yourself? Oh no, you didn't. My mistake.
I think the OP should stick to things which are pertinent to his proposed area of study, if being a member of MENSA or NAGTY takes up a lengthy part of his life then perhaps he should mention it, otherwise to simply say “I’m a member” does sound pretentious.
This is the most entertaining post I've read in quite some time, and I agree totally.
I particularly think the NAGTY membership is, more or less, worthless. All you have to do to become a member is to attend a course they run, and those are nowhere near selective enough to reflect the competitive nature of Oxbridge application. Furthermore, I think there are several people here who hold offers from these establishments who may very well do poorly in a traditional IQ test, which relies basically on pattern spotting and puzzles if we're honest, and so MENSA membership mightn't add much either.
I think the general consensus that the OP should take is that they should, by all means, mention their involvement in these organisations if they can show how it improved their understanding of the subject their applying for; or alternatively how it gave them skills that could be transposed onto a degree course.
I think some hostility has crept in from the phrasing of the original post i.e. "will they be impressed?" My take on it would be that, as long as it's mentioned as part of a general tapestry of personal and educational achievements, and not just left dangling, it can only contribute positively to a PS.
I think some hostility has crept in from the phrasing of the original post i.e. "will they be impressed?" My take on it would be that, as long as it's mentioned as part of a general tapestry of personal and educational achievements, and not just left dangling, it can only contribute positively to a PS.
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