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Reply 380
that's great thanks alot stan :smile:
Does this make any sense?:

Horatio, loyalty/friendship towards Hamlet. Key quote said by him: "This bode some eruption to our state" - covers the whole play in effect, and said by a minor character. Dramatic techinique-type thing used by Shakespeare..? Horatio is key to structure as he is the one who decides to tell Hamlet about the ghost, he is also the intital witness, a technique used by Shakespeare for belief that the ghost is real ? His character is contrasted against Hamlet's as he is calm and Hamlet is often erratic and energetic.. some kind of technique. Horatio also acts like a kind of narrator - at the beginning about the ghost/fortinbras, middle Hamlets letters, and at the end when he dies etc. (almost voices Shakspeare?). Person who Hamlet wants to be/sets the scene with first solioquy of the play "Valiant Hamlet" neutal character.
I have a bit more but I want to know if im going the right way with it?
Reply 382
Becca<3Shoes
Does this make any sense?:

Horatio, loyalty/friendship towards Hamlet. Key quote said by him: "This bode some eruption to our state" - covers the whole play in effect, and said by a minor character. Dramatic techinique-type thing used by Shakespeare..? Horatio is key to structure as he is the one who decides to tell Hamlet about the ghost, he is also the intital witness, a technique used by Shakespeare for belief that the ghost is real ? His character is contrasted against Hamlet's as he is calm and Hamlet is often erratic and energetic.. some kind of technique. Horatio also acts like a kind of narrator - at the beginning about the ghost/fortinbras, middle Hamlets letters, and at the end when he dies etc. (almost voices Shakspeare?). Person who Hamlet wants to be/sets the scene with first solioquy of the play "Valiant Hamlet" neutal character.
I have a bit more but I want to know if im going the right way with it?


Yeah 'tis gud stuff methinks - very similar to mine anyway:p:
Reply 383
sorry to still hark on about madness BUT. can i just simply split my essay into

intro - ohhhh look at the both views
para 1 - yes he is mad.
para 2 - no he isnt.. (some reference to ophelia heree)
conclusion - wooop lets repeat the intro in a different format and i think blah.

i will be splitting para 1 & 2 into smaller paragraphs. :smile: ?
this is very cheeky of me to ask, but does anyone have like an amazing portfolio of Hamlet Notes they've compiled in a word document there willing to share? :biggrin: :biggrin:
Reply 385
THE WIKI PPL!!! THE WIKI!!! It's typed up genius!!!!!

Mirian - that format sounds fine to me IF the question is: is Hamlet mad or not?

It all depends on the question. But if you can talk generally on madness within the play i reckon you'll be fine - that's what i'm doing anyway :smile:
Reply 386
ahhhh thanks stan thats great :smile: i was in need of reassurance!
Anybody have any notes on Appearance vs. Reality in Hamlet? They would be so much appreciated!
Reply 388
my hand is officially dead. anyone else's? and possibly their brain?
Reply 389
I am also *praying for Ophelia*

>__<

I have this exam 2moro and im ****ting my pants about it.
Reply 390
penny lane
Anybody have any notes on Appearance vs. Reality in Hamlet? They would be so much appreciated!



We were told about Hamlet being both inside and outside of the play...He often talks to the audience in soliloquies and always seems to be one step ahead of the other characters, suggesting he is like the director of his own play. This is until towards the end of the play where his soliloques stop and he rejoins the other characters in the play...you could talk about that??
also about the ghost...when it appears at the beginning others can see him but in the scene near the end where Hamlet is with Gertrude in her bedroom it appears again but Gertrude can't see it...so you can question whether the ghost in the later scene is just in Hamlet's head?

Not sure if thats the sort of thing you were looking for but there ya go lol

x
Reply 391
Off the top of my head for appearance and reality:

like Theclomo said:

Hamlet inside/outside play
the ghost
is he mad? is he faking?
Claudius appears cruel but in reality...
Ophelia appears innocent and unknowing but in reality...
Polonius thinks Hamlets mad because of his love for Ophelia when in reality...

Obviously to be expanded upon, but my brain is hurting nad I'm gonna hav my tea in a bit. Then, i'll probs expand :redface:
Hey guys.

A few questions.

Is the Hamlet question always related to characters? As I haven't covered themes outside how they relate to the characters themselves.

Is there any characters I can safely rule out and not go into depth on?

Anyone have any *really good* quotes from which a summation of character can be drawn?

I'll give some of my favourite and a bit of clarification...

Ophelia:
'Thoughts and afflictions, passion, hell itself
and she turns to flowers and prettiness' - She becomes a charactature (sp?) of herself in her madness. It has been described as 'tidy and unproblematic' in contrasts to Hamlet's madness. But there is something more deep about it. The fact that she is a silent character almost wills us to believe that something deeper is occurring beneath the surface- this is qualified by the sexual nature of her madness. She dies making wreaths out of dick shaped flowers. And hands out fennel (relating to adultery). This sexual thing may be an offshoot of unseen oppression and unhealthy emphasis on purity that has almost dampened her as a character. There is depth to her.

Pussycat!

P assive
U nderdeveloped
S exual
S uicidal (ultimate sign of autonomy and control?- Hamlet couldn't!)
whY?
Characature (sp?) of herself
A quiet wisdom
Tidy, unproblematic madness

It's a bit tenuous but it helps! Try one for other characters.. read notes and then highlight character themes..

Claudius:
'Like a man by double business bound' - Claudius on himself. He is a torn man, not wholly villain and apparently morally aware but caught up in a lust for power, that ultimately takes precedence over his love for Gertrude.

Laertes:
'Treble the woe, fall ten times treble on that cursed head!' - Laertes exhibiting passion like Hamlet, but shakespeare deliberately uses uncalculated and shallow imagery to suggest those attributes in his character.

'Conscience and grace to the profound pits, I dare damnation' - Pretty obvious contrast to Hamlet, conscience is what plagues Hamlet. But all in all Hamlet is far more endearing as we are exposed to his thoughts, his inadequacies almost justify him as a character whereas Laertes' unfounded mouthing off lacks substance- it is all bravado!


Some more good quotes, not loads but some choice ones would be helpful! Especially for Hamlet, Gertrude and Polonius!

Also can someone tell me how to spell characature!

X
I think they've asked about Polonius, Claudius, Laertes, Gertrude and Hamlet himself but i really wouldn't place all your bets being on a character.
Reply 394
neighborhood #1
Hey guys.

A few questions.

Is the Hamlet question always related to characters? As I haven't covered themes outside how they relate to the characters themselves.

Is there any characters I can safely rule out and not go into depth on?

Anyone have any *really good* quotes from which a summation of character can be drawn?

I'll give some of my favourite and a bit of clarification...

Ophelia:
'Thoughts and afflictions, passion, hell itself
and she turns to flowers and prettiness' - She becomes a charactature (sp?) of herself in her madness. It has been described as 'tidy and unproblematic' in contrasts to Hamlet's madness. But there is something more deep about it. The fact that she is a silent character almost wills us to believe that something deeper is occurring beneath the surface- this is qualified by the sexual nature of her madness. She dies making wreaths out of dick shaped flowers. And hands out fennel (relating to adultery). This sexual thing may be an offshoot of unseen oppression and unhealthy emphasis on purity that has almost dampened her as a character. There is depth to her.

Pussycat!

P assive
U nderdeveloped
S exual
S uicidal (ultimate sign of autonomy and control?- Hamlet couldn't!)
whY?
Characature (sp?) of herself
A quiet wisdom
Tidy, unproblematic madness

It's a bit tenuous but it helps! Try one for other characters.. read notes and then highlight character themes..

Claudius:
'Like a man by double business bound' - Claudius on himself. He is a torn man, not wholly villain and apparently morally aware but caught up in a lust for power, that ultimately takes precedence over his love for Gertrude.

Laertes:
'Treble the woe, fall ten times treble on that cursed head!' - Laertes exhibiting passion like Hamlet, but shakespeare deliberately uses uncalculated and shallow imagery to suggest those attributes in his character.

'Conscience and grace to the profound pits, I dare damnation' - Pretty obvious contrast to Hamlet, conscience is what plagues Hamlet. But all in all Hamlet is far more endearing as we are exposed to his thoughts, his inadequacies almost justify him as a character whereas Laertes' unfounded mouthing off lacks substance- it is all bravado!


Some more good quotes, not loads but some choice ones would be helpful! Especially for Hamlet, Gertrude and Polonius!

Also can someone tell me how to spell characature!

X


Let me be first to say: THAT PUSSYCAT THING ROCKS!!! lol

In answer to your qs:

yes, we can be asked on a theme - the general opinion seems to be that we'll get a theme question and a character q to choose between

ermm... i can't remember who has been on b4 - Polonius and Gertrude - but flick back through the thread 'cos it comes up several times

Finally, most ppl are making educated guesses that Ophelia, Madness, R+G, Horatio, Fortinbras and Appearance and Reality are most likely tomorrow - but by no means rule anything out -examiners love to surprise :rolleyes:


(caricature)?
(ooh, I no i've sed it a gazillion times, but the wiki is really good for quotes :biggrin: )
Reply 395
Fortinbras:

-Acts as a foil (one of many) to Hamlet; he has a dead father, is a prince etc
-Acts as a catalyst to the play; When Hamlet witnessed Fortinbras's army, he was in admiration how a man could fight with such pride over a 'worthless' piece of land. This inspires Hamlet to take action (he commits no less than 5 murders thereafter), and end the constant contemplation; note how this is his last soliloquy: 'My thoughts be bloody or be nothing worth'.
-He represents humanity on a more primitive level, contrasted to Hamlet's thinking man, responding to violence with violence.
stan912
Let me be first to say: THAT PUSSYCAT THING ROCKS!!! lol

In answer to your qs:

yes, we can be asked on a theme - the general opinion seems to be that we'll get a theme question and a character q to choose between

ermm... i can't remember who has been on b4 - Polonius and Gertrude - but flick back through the thread 'cos it comes up several times

Finally, most ppl are making educated guesses that Ophelia, Madness, R+G, Horatio, Fortinbras and Appearance and Reality are most likely tomorrow - but by no means rule anything out -examiners love to surprise :rolleyes:


(caricature)?
(ooh, I no i've sed it a gazillion times, but the wiki is really good for quotes :biggrin: )


Craaaaaaaap. I haven't done anything on Fortinbras, R+G or Appearance and Reality to any great depths?

Anyone want to do some summaries? (thanks for the Fortinbras one!)

I'm gonna do ophelia in depth.

Also how long do you usually write (how long is a piece of string...i know). Like how far should i spread my quotes?

I am worried
Reply 397
wildforwilde
this is very cheeky of me to ask, but does anyone have like an amazing portfolio of Hamlet Notes they've compiled in a word document there willing to share? :biggrin: :biggrin:


I would certainly not call it an amazing portfolio - it's something I did in a rush months after I last looked at the text, but I'm just uploading a file with some character notes and quotes. Ignore the lines at the beginning. It's definately not perfect and it's not even finished but I hope it'll help out a few people anyway.

I couldn't get it to upload on this website, but I have uploaded it to rapidshare. I hope this is ok:

http://rapidshare.com/files/121488006/Hamlet_revision.rtf.html

Please don't mock my pictures. They're the only thing that makes revising fun!

edit: actually the only good bit is Ophelia.
Reply 398
wildforwilde, I made some brief notes on characters. it's not finished but the download link is here:

http://rapidshare.com/files/121488006/Hamlet_revision.rtf.html

I couldn't get it to upload on this website, sorry!
Reply 399
neighborhood #1
Craaaaaaaap. I haven't done anything on Fortinbras, R+G or Appearance and Reality to any great depths?

Anyone want to do some summaries? (thanks for the Fortinbras one!)

I'm gonna do ophelia in depth.

Also how long do you usually write (how long is a piece of string...i know). Like how far should i spread my quotes?

I am worried


Don't worry, I don't really reckon we'll get them but just in case you, there are a lot of summaries on this thread. (I'll also type some out again)

I usually write 2-4 pages, but tbh as long as you fulfill all the AOs it shouldn't really matter.