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    Do you think that all men are born equal?

    - mention which country you're in
    - and whether your opinion about this has changed
    - and if your friends mostly agree with you on this.

    I will go first:

    I think that yes, we are all born equal and most importantly remain equal all our lives. I am in the UK this summer. I have always thought this until I can remember but I used to notice people's differences more than I do now. Most of my friends would say that they think men are all born equal. Some of them however will say this but also have opinions that mean they don't think this is true. Others of them say it is true and also have the opinions that mean it is true. So it is about 50/50 in my friends about whether they really mean it or not. When I say it I think I really mean it but perhaps that is what we all think !
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    Yes and no. Many people fail to separate the reality from the principle and end up chasing an ideal. We are not all born equal nor do we become equal. The reality is a fact that cannot be denied. Some extreme branches of sociology ignore the reality and even propose societies that essentially ignore and suppress reality for example by eliminating competition. In fact sadly today this has grown quite popular. Few people win in competition so it is easy to manipulate the majority to be against it. Many sore losers in society today.

    On the other extreme you have very wide differences and classes. More reasonable people are against the excesses of elitism as much as they are the excesses of equality.

    A reasonable society with a meritocracy rewards the elite but not excessively and eschews grading or separation. With misunderstandings about concepts such as equality, equal opportunity, obsession over concepts of privilege and so on we risk becoming a socialist dystopia. Not everyone suffers in a socialist dystopia but when the elite such as myself suffer, people who are born more talented at certain endeavours, then we get out of dodge and leave everyone else to fend for themselves, that is brain drain, etc.

    It's the better people that ultimately carry society so you ought to be careful about treating them like common people when they aren't. That doesn't mean you have to treat them special or like deities in all respects but outright ignoring superiority, greater competition, etc isn't going to lead you to do well by them. They then wont do well by you. What happens on the extreme side of elitism is when you have excessive elitism by establishment rather than by proof of worth and the elites demanding such special treatment that society ends up carrying them, sometimes to an extreme hence things like the French revolution.

    The basic principle of a society where "everyone is equal" is that you treat everyone as equal unless given a relevant reason otherwise. That latter part is under attack a lot these days.
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    Partly yes, but mainly because I reject the assumption of the question that a human (or other) life can have some value prescribed to it.
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    Free? No, unless you live outside civilisation.
    Equal? No. Can't consolidate this with evolution. Theoretically equal, yes, but there are people objectively better than other people.
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    (Original post by EuanF)
    Theoretically equal, yes, but there are people objectively better than other people.
    That statement strikes me as being absolutely false.
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    (Original post by EuanF)
    Free? No, unless you live outside civilisation.
    Equal? No. Can't consolidate this with evolution. Theoretically equal, yes, but there are people objectively better than other people.
    Describe, then, how you objectively measure the worth of a person.
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    Equal according to who? In the eyes of law and culture, of course not all people are born equal. It's an observable fact.
    Whether people should all be born equal is an entirely different question. You need to elaborate.
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    (Original post by anosmianAcrimony)
    Describe, then, how you objectively measure the worth of a person.
    The measure used to be on things such as skill, intelligence, health, attitude, ability to contribute and actual contribution.

    These days however many people measure human worth by how expensive their watch is.
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    Hopefully all men includes women, right?

    Nope. I'm in the USA. Some people will always be smarter than me, prettier than me, and have more privileges than me. You know having differences isn't such a bad thing though. It seems like an impossible task to make everyone equal because people aren't all equal. People have different strengths, and weaknesses and privileges. Like having connections to Hollywood, having a rich family, even your race can play a factor.

    Free? Well it depends if you're living in a development nation and have democracy. If not, no.

    Ideally, every person should have equal opportunities. Realistically? That is not always the case.
 
 
 
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