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    And why do they only seem to be used against people who oppose Islam?
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    Because people fear words and expression superficially and superstitiously.

    Islam became a core issue after the left became obsessed with equality to the point of blindness. That is, the belief that no one may speak badly of anyone. Terms such as white knight and SJW exist for a reason. The left decided it was up to them to defend Islam in the public conscience rather than allow Islam to speak for itself. The left became over protective to the extent of not only defending Islam from unreasonable attack but promoting Islam and defending it from reasonable attack. The defense of Islam became ridiculous. If you had anything bad to say about it then it was to be assumed that you were actually motivated by racism because most Muslims happen to be Asian. This turned into a bizarre belief in the equivalence between race and ideology which the left even embedded in law! For them, racism and Islamophobia are seen as literally the same things. I don't know how the left came to that. Perhaps they genuinely believed in the promotion and in that Islam was flawless, perfect in every way, therefore and criticism absolutely most be born out of immoral motives.

    You can see this here:

    http://www.runnymedetrust.org/upload...lamophobia.pdf

    One of the contributors has himself spoken out about restrictions of expression and basically come to the conclusion that they went too far.

    Modern leftist doctrine also believes that to prevent evils you must attack them at the root by attacking speech and thought even if this means prohibiting it. Their thinking is that evil acts of the past we're not random acts but all born out of ideas. The left seems to be too stupid to come up with better ideas and words so only their words are legitimate. If you disagree, you are a bigot. The fact is that they are bigots because they defend ideologies that have committed as gross crimes as the ones they use for a point of reference when it comes to prohibition. Evil people are evil. The ideas don't matter. The left should know this when defending Islam, but apparently they are completely clueless. When you have double standards, it betrays bias, it shows whose side you're on. When the left outright defends Islam even when people are killing in the name of it yet attacks criticism of Islam in case somehow people might kill in the name of that it becomes clear that they have an Islamic affinity. If they say that these things have nothing to do with Islam, then why don't they so easily say that eradicating the Jews actually has nothing to do with nationalism, genetics, belief in race and so on?

    Make no mistake, these are pure biases.

    It was really post 9/11 that this all ballooned out of control as the left abused the fear of reprisals to crack down on dissenting, that is non-100% positive, views of Islam. Arguably it could have been any minority but it was 911 that decided which the left would become obsessed with and exploit to push their own extreme beliefs politically. Until recently, under the laws the left introduced it was actually illegal to insult Islam if it could be seen that you were motivated to stir up trouble. According to the left, they decide your motives, not you so it was a worrying state of affairs.

    Since then Muslims have also bought into these precepts laid out by the left but although they have a tendency to sensitivity anyway, it's not only them. This has rippled throughout our society as every other group now wants the same special privileges. Ironically, the left's suppression of thought and expression has itself caused a backlash against Islam, which is what you are doing right now.

    Don't underestimate what I am saying. This thread just popped up:

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=4089121

    What motivates this person? He has been told that you can't speak ill of Islam. You're not allowed to even think that Islam is a bit crap, a bit naff or to believe that on average people in Islam might not be as civil as the rest of us. So he is throwing this back in the left's face. If the left had not created this issue, I don't thing people would be posting things like this saying look, see, Islam really does suck. It is not a coincidence. I see threads like that pop up all over the internet. It's like looking at the surface of the water after a whale farted somewhere beneath the waves.

    What is really sad about that is that we now cannot even discuss problems in Islam. We have to ignore them, let them slide. That is not going to help Islam to improve one bit. Threads like the above are likely to be more constructive than staying silent. Silence is passive consent to all kinds of horrors such as rape, murder, torture, mutilation, etc. When you consent to those things within Islam, it means you want Islam to suck and to continue to suck.

    I've raised some pretty good points here for the left to consider but you'll find that in most venues the left will accuse me of being divisive, being a bigot, racist and essentially eject me from the venue. It's this inability to listen or to debate issues that has crippled our leftist movement.

    I can get along with Muslims but I don't particularly like Islam. I have to be honest though, it is the left that is far more insidious and that I am far more afraid of when it comes to the future of our society. They have and continue to cause immeasurable damage. By many orders of magnitude far more than Muslims have done or can do any time soon. If the pessimists and fear mongers are right and one day we do come under Islamic influenced law or even Sharia, it's ultimately going to be the left that did it.
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    (Original post by Wonderbeard)
    And why do they only seem to be used against people who oppose Islam?
    In my opinion, because we live in a PC world
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    Words should not hurt peoples' feelings; actions should.
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    Does hate speech even cover religion?
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    (Original post by Wonderbeard)
    And why do they only seem to be used against people who oppose Islam?
    To further the political correctness agenda of course, and speed up the "progressive" agenda by frightening people into submissions, so they people think they will lose their livelihood and even their freedom, be locked up in a cage if they voice any dissent with political correctness. It's necessarily to create some victims using the media for this purpose.
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    (Original post by Wonderbeard)
    And why do they only seem to be used against people who oppose Islam?
    Stupid regulations thats what.
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    (Original post by Wonderbeard)
    And why do they only seem to be used against people who oppose Islam?
    Because some elements of Islam tend to explode when they are angry.


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    I wish people would stop blaming 'the left' for this. Ultimately this is a censorship vs free speech issue. The right has been as pro-censorship as the left, especially when it comes to pathetic puritanism regarding the naked body and human sexuality in general.

    I'm very much on the left, but being a lefty liberal is why I dislike islam. People should be able to live as they wish to. As long as any Islamic institution is forcing people to live a certain way or face punishment, no matter how mild it is, I cannot be a friend of islam, it's that simple.
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    (Original post by BefuddledPenguin)
    I wish people would stop blaming 'the left' for this. Ultimately this is a censorship vs free speech issue. The right has been as pro-censorship as the left, especially when it comes to pathetic puritanism regarding the naked body and human sexuality in general.

    I'm very much on the left, but being a lefty liberal is why I dislike islam. People should be able to live as they wish to. As long as any Islamic institution is forcing people to live a certain way or face punishment, no matter how mild it is, I cannot be a friend of islam, it's that simple.
    I was too on the left. I am fairly liberal and support a reasonable amount of socialism. I am a bit over the place though on a number of subjects because an extreme position on anything is rarely correct. You fall on conservatism to preserve what is good otherwise you try to change what is bad for the good. I am also acutely aware of what social constructs are but I do not believe it's correct to resort to nihilism and deny everything.

    The thing is that nonsense like Islamophobia, race denial, mass immigration was born out of the loony left and has now gone mainstream. What is worse is that this is taught in schools leading to the indoctrination of millions of our children. Leftist liberal thought has become extremist dogma and the ideological fodder for those who want to be social enforcers or to promote their own cause.

    I can call myself fairly left leaning but the fact is I am simply not representative of the mindless masses that represent the now dominant fundamentalist left of today.

    The right is pretty bad but they aren't the ones scapegoating white people and invoking original sin against them, insisting on unlimited immigration and "cultural enrichment" which is double speak for cultural contamination, dilution and so on. The left are currently the greatest threat to our nation. Sort them out and we can get back to reeling in the right, especially the surveillance state they are about to build.

    You can see the madness here:

    http://www.insted.co.uk/confronting%20islamophobia.pdf

    http://www.srtrc.org/uploaded/ISLAMO...INAL%20PDF.pdf

    The indoctrination in our schools is horrific.

    This is the kind of thing they are showing to kids at school:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUOOzO5e2qc

    You can probably now understand why we're seeing an explosion of leftardism.

    My favourite bit is the claim that racism comes from ignorance and not understanding other people's cultures. For one culture and race are not always the same. For two, I dislike other cultures because I understand them and know about them. The level of stupid in this is incredible but then what do you expect when they expect footballers to be able to teach kids anything useful.
 
 
 
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