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    (Original post by Frances)
    Maybe this is just me being mean, but every person I've ever met doing Health and Social care has been a complete and utter idiot, which doesn't give me a good impression of the subject. It has mainly been those doing the GNVQ rather than the AVCE though- maybe the AVCE people are normal, but the entry level/foundation health and social care at our college are just beyond belief. :rolleyes:

    I have nothing against AVCEs in general though- I think they're a good idea if that's what suits you, and I don't envy the amount of coursework they seem to have to do.
    I did the AVCE HSC and there is a lot of work to be done. People in my class were not idiots. This isnt an easy course and you also have to do placment work three times a week as well as being in class in the morning before going to the day centre or hospital. You have such a diverse subjects being taught where we have to do two units at a time with deadlines at the same time.

    I think the AVCE is a great idea. However, the college that i just left have decided to stop teaching it as they say it costs too much. If you only meet the GNVQ lot then i can understand where you are coming from. They only have to get research and photocopy it and they pass. It is so different in the AVCE. If you don't get it correct first time they dont let you redo it.

    On a better note. I got a letter from edexcel saying how pleased they were with the standard of my work and that they will be putting it on their website for teachers to guide them on an A piece of work. This sounds positive to me and seems i have going to have a huge smile on 19/08/04 . Well i hope so.
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    (Original post by Whats_The_411?)
    I did the AVCE HSC and there is a lot of work to be done. People in my class were not idiots. This isnt an easy course and you also have to do placment work three times a week as well as being in class in the morning before going to the day centre or hospital. You have such a diverse subjects being taught where we have to do two units at a time with deadlines at the same time.

    I think the AVCE is a great idea. However, the college that i just left have decided to stop teaching it as they say it costs too much. If you only meet the GNVQ lot then i can understand where you are coming from. They only have to get research and photocopy it and they pass. It is so different in the AVCE. If you don't get it correct first time they dont let you redo it.

    On a better note. I got a letter from edexcel saying how pleased they were with the standard of my work and that they will be putting it on their website for teachers to guide them on an A piece of work. This sounds positive to me and seems i have going to have a huge smile on 19/08/04 . Well i hope so.
    I've never actually met an AVCE health and social care person before. I've sure you're perfectly normal

    Like I said, it was probably just me being mean, but the entry level/foundation health and social care people at our college really do have to be seen to be believed. They don't just seem to lack any kind of academic ability, but also any kind of social skills or common sense. The intermediate people I met didn't exactly leave a great impression either. Ah well.

    (Original post by Whats_The_411?)
    I did the AVCE HSC and there is a lot of work to be done. People in my class were not idiots. This isnt an easy course and you also have to do placment work three times a week as well as being in class in the morning before going to the day centre or hospital. You have such a diverse subjects being taught where we have to do two units at a time with deadlines at the same time.

    I think the AVCE is a great idea. However, the college that i just left have decided to stop teaching it as they say it costs too much. If you only meet the GNVQ lot then i can understand where you are coming from. They only have to get research and photocopy it and they pass. It is so different in the AVCE. If you don't get it correct first time they dont let you redo it.

    On a better note. I got a letter from edexcel saying how pleased they were with the standard of my work and that they will be putting it on their website for teachers to guide them on an A piece of work. This sounds positive to me and seems i have going to have a huge smile on 19/08/04 . Well i hope so.

    I looked through my friends HSC folder (dont really know why!) - they don't do it at my school - and it was so full of utter garbage that the teacher had told them, especially the scientific bits.

    DNA is made of protein? I don't think so somehow!

    (not wishing to generalise, but) i think it's possible part of the reason for the lower exam results is not that it's really, really hard but that the teaching isn't too great (to say the least) - maybe because the teachers have to "specialise" in so many diverse areas - HSC seems to cover bits of biology, sociology, psychology, etc etc as well as aspects unique to it.

    having said that my bf's mum teaches HSC and she seems like a very good teacher
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    (Original post by crana)
    I looked through my friends HSC folder (dont really know why!) - they don't do it at my school - and it was so full of utter garbage that the teacher had told them, especially the scientific bits.

    DNA is made of protein? I don't think so somehow!

    (not wishing to generalise, but) i think it's possible part of the reason for the lower exam results is not that it's really, really hard but that the teaching isn't too great (to say the least) - maybe because the teachers have to "specialise" in so many diverse areas - HSC seems to cover bits of biology, sociology, psychology, etc etc as well as aspects unique to it.

    having said that my bf's mum teaches HSC and she seems like a very good teacher
    In HSC there are many units. The DNA thing you said, I have not been taught that. Basically I studied the social services impact on people with all the health stuff in the second year. The teaching for this subject at my college was very poor but I have still done well.

    With the units I have been taught I have had to do units linking to economics, politics, psychology, sociology, philosophy, social policy, physiology and that awful research perspectives.

    I have done really well with this course and should get AA. In some units I have got 100/100. And along this I did AS levels and evening courses.

    Anyway my point is that it isn't an easy subject.
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    (Original post by Frances)
    I've sure you're perfectly normal .
    :eek: Thats taking it too far

    (Original post by Whats_The_411?)
    In HSC there are many units. The DNA thing you said, I have not been taught that. Basically I studied the social services impact on people with all the health stuff in the second year. The teaching for this subject at my college was very poor but I have still done well.

    With the units I have been taught I have had to do units linking to economics, politics, psychology, sociology, philosophy, social policy, physiology and that awful research perspectives.

    I have done really well with this course and should get AA. In some units I have got 100/100. And along this I did AS levels and evening courses.

    Anyway my point is that it isn't an easy subject.
    i should hope you haven't been taught that, as it's very wrong, and I would hope anyone with GCSE science would know that!

    Sure, I dont think its easy - I don't think any Alevels are easy (well, maybe general studies).

    It's just that some people have used the average grades obtained by AVCE students compared to A2 students to show that AVCEs must be much harder than A2s because AVCE mean grades were lower.

    So my point is that I think actually there are several factors that are responsible for this (e.g. poor teaching - like at your college, and that in general, lower-ability students seem to get pushed into taking AVCEs rather than AS/A2 - not everyone obviously - but vocational qualifications are often seen as easier & more #suitable for less academic students even if that's not true), and it's not really that AVCEs are loads harder than A-levels (although maybe they are, I've never done one! i don't think they could be much harder than p3 though! )
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    (Original post by crana)
    i should hope you haven't been taught that, as it's very wrong, and I would hope anyone with GCSE science would know that!

    Sure, I dont think its easy - I don't think any Alevels are easy (well, maybe general studies).

    It's just that some people have used the average grades obtained by AVCE students compared to A2 students to show that AVCEs must be much harder than A2s because AVCE mean grades were lower.

    So my point is that I think actually there are several factors that are responsible for this (e.g. poor teaching - like at your college, and that in general, lower-ability students seem to get pushed into taking AVCEs rather than AS/A2 - not everyone obviously - but vocational qualifications are often seen as easier & more #suitable for less academic students even if that's not true), and it's not really that AVCEs are loads harder than A-levels (although maybe they are, I've never done one! i don't think they could be much harder than p3 though! )
    I miss judged you, for that I will by my duties to you. I think what you said was actually very well said.
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    In my sixth form induction week we have to go to an hour long leacture thing from the subject teacher and 4 of mine were today, each one we had said that their subject was the hardest a level :rolleyes: Quite funny when a fourth teacher says exactly the same thing as all the ones before.

    I don't know whether A Levels are getting easier, as I can't really say. IMHO though I don't think they are, I think it's all kind of relative
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    (Original post by me!)
    In my sixth form induction week we have to go to an hour long leacture thing from the subject teacher and 4 of mine were today, each one we had said that their subject was the hardest a level :rolleyes: Quite funny when a fourth teacher says exactly the same thing as all the ones before.
    That's the reason why I'm off today [induction day for year 11]. However, last year, I had a mixed reception - some teachers said how easy their subject was, and others warned people to leave the room if they were being predicted D's.

    Do you think thesedays the syllabus is being taught more? Wheras in previous years the 'subject' was actually taught?
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    I don't think A-Levels have changed in difficulty as much as lots of people seem to think, but I think it's hard to ignore some of the signs.

    The number one reason people say grades are improving is because teaching is also improving, if we compare our education system to other countries, can we see the same pattern? If results haven't changed that much in other countries over the last few decades, is it just our country that has been unique in improving teaching so much - or are there more realistic reasons??
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    On my AVCE there was to much of "it isn't on the sylabus so you don't need to know that" so I would probably say the subject is being taught less.


    There is too much emphasis on teaching to pass and not enough of the subject.
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    i don't know but i think is still the same but i am not sure
    according to scientist, people's brain is enlarging, the Key Stage exam is getting easier only because people is learn lots more than they should, so i think A level is the same.
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    (Original post by LS.)
    That's the reason why I'm off today [induction day for year 11]. However, last year, I had a mixed reception - some teachers said how easy their subject was, and others warned people to leave the room if they were being predicted D's.

    Do you think thesedays the syllabus is being taught more? Wheras in previous years the 'subject' was actually taught?
    Some people did leave the room in some of the sessions even if they were predicted C's.

    I'm not the best person to say as my school is rubbish in most subjects so I'm lucky if I get taught at all. One of my friends is from America and she only came here in year 10 and she said that she couldn't understand how the school could expect people to get A's when the teaching is so bad, I kinda had to agree with her there.

    I think to get a teacher that teaches the subject rather than the syllabus is very rare because so much emphasis is put on exams and statistics these days.

    (Original post by amazingtrade)
    I miss judged you, for that I will by my duties to you. I think what you said was actually very well said.
    Wahoo! Thank you.

    Now will you own up that it *was* you who neg repped me before calling yourself the don? because I now know it was
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    (Original post by shushimeng)
    according to scientist, people's brain is enlarging, the Key Stage exam is getting easier only because people is learn lots more than they should, so i think A level is the same.
    lol, can't say I've heard that as a reason before. Evolution would have to be pretty quick for brains to be enlarging over a 50 year span! I'd be interested to see a source for the fact that enlargement of brains is helping increase exam results.

    (Original post by LS.)
    That's the reason why I'm off today [induction day for year 11]. However, last year, I had a mixed reception - some teachers said how easy their subject was, and others warned people to leave the room if they were being predicted D's.

    Do you think thesedays the syllabus is being taught more? Wheras in previous years the 'subject' was actually taught?
    Hmm, I don't know. Probably.

    I am always in two minds about this - during the year, I find it SO frustrating when I ask a question and get told "you don't need to know that..." etc - but when it comes to exams I get very cross if we have wasted loads of time on stuff that turns out not to be on the syllabus etc. Because we *always* run out of time to finish what actually is on the syllabus!

    I think maybe what would be best if is the syllabus was taught, but it was such that the syllabus and the subject were the same thing - if you see what I mean - I mean, I think it's meant to be that way but often falls short.

    for example in biology, from past papers, you can often score highly by just regurgitating "key words" that have a vague relevance to the question, and not from actually explaining what the question asks etc. This isn't testing your knowledge - more your vocabulary!
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    (Original post by crana)
    Wahoo! Thank you.

    Now will you own up that it *was* you who neg repped me before calling yourself the don? because I now know it was
    Yes I just took what you said about me being dyslexic a bit personaly, I had just got up, I was in a bad mood, you were just unlucky. I've added you to my "owe rep list" so in about 8 days time when it will let me I will give you postive rep.

    I am sorry anyway.

    (Original post by amazingtrade)
    Yes I just took what you said about me being dyslexic a bit personaly, I had just got up, I was in a bad mood, you were just unlucky. I've added you to my "owe rep list" so in about 8 days time when it will let me I will give you postive rep.

    I am sorry anyway.
    lol, its ok, i really dont care about rep (i just get intrigued who leaves it etc). you didnt have to lie about it i wasn't upset!

    sorry, I didn't mean to upset you about being dyslexic (that bit was actually me trying to be sympathetic. i know.) i guess you were unlucky too as the target of my pedanticness (i know that isnt a word) - now school's out i have no teachers to nitpick at - and actually i quite like your eclectic approach to apostrophes

    ahhhh, its all so happy and smiley now.

    ill have to go and kill some children to restore my mind to its healthy state.

    rosie
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    (Original post by crana)
    So my point is that I think actually there are several factors that are responsible for this (e.g. poor teaching - like at your college, and that in general, lower-ability students seem to get pushed into taking AVCEs rather than AS/A2 - not everyone obviously - but vocational qualifications are often seen as easier & more #suitable for less academic students even if that's not true), and it's not really that AVCEs are loads harder than A-levels (although maybe they are, I've never done one! i don't think they could be much harder than p3 though! )
    :rolleyes: Well to be true. I did find the course easy, i just felt sorry for those in my class who kept getting crap grades. I speak for them :cool:
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    (Original post by timeofyourlife)
    lol, can't say I've heard that as a reason before. Evolution would have to be pretty quick for brains to be enlarging over a 50 year span! I'd be interested to see a source for the fact that enlargement of brains is helping increase exam results.
    they didn't exactly say that people's brain is enlarging to increase the exam results. but that's what i am thinking. Maybe it is nothing to do with evolution, maybe just how the life is atm, so why do u think people getting 5,5,5 in key stage 2 and now they are changing the exam question? and this is the same thing with A levels people are forcing theirself to study more to learn more, so tons of people get AAA in alevel. because of this people are making theirself to get 4 As and 5As now days, so that they can get to the place where 20 people is trying to get, so they are using more brain cells. u have to admit that our brain is enlarging gradually (maybe no one will ever notice untill there is a big change). What i don't understand is why As is getting hard every year ( i took past paper and i found it really easy and few weeks ago i sat the exam, i found it kinda hard some of the question is in A2). it is tough for us at moment, because AAA is not good enough, i am forcing myself to do even more so i get less competitors in the future.
 
 
 
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