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    In modern society. Now I know people will get up in arms but hear me out.


    1. Men are most likely to suffer from violent crime.

    2. Men are most likely to become homeless.

    3. Only 8% of domestic violence services are designed specifically for men

    4. There are a grand total of 0 male only gyms officially registered.

    5. The education system is linear not modular, a system that favours women

    6. Men are now at a 2:1 disadvantage when looking for work in STEM fields.

    7. More than 50% of degrees in 2013 were gained by women

    8. In most divorce cases men are made to pay ridiculous sums.



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    ... By other men.
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    (Original post by Truths)
    ... By other men.
    How do you figure?

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    (Original post by IAmNero)
    In modern society. Now I know people will get up in arms but hear me out.

    1. Men are the primary victims of suicide.

    2. Men are most likely to suffer from violent crime.

    3. Men are most likely to become homeless.

    4. Only 8% of domestic violence services are designed specifically for men

    5. There are a grand total of 0 male only gyms officially registered.

    6. The education system is linear not modular, a system that favours women

    7. Men are now at a 2:1 disadvantage when looking for work in STEM fields.

    8. More than 50% of degrees in 2013 were gained by women

    9. In most divorce cases men are made to pay ridiculous sums.



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    Shhhh...men aren't allowed to complain. You have to 'man up' and get on with it. Sexism only works one way remember.

    Joking aside, there is a section on the BBC website titled 'sexism'. Not a single article on there is about sexism towards men. It's all 'gender pay gap' and 'women being forced to do x, y , z'... Frankly it's time that feminists were put in their place a bit. I think that time will come but unfortunately it is quite a few years off.
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    (Original post by IAmNero)
    In modern society. Now I know people will get up in arms but hear me out.

    1. Men are the primary victims of suicide.

    2. Men are most likely to suffer from violent crime.

    3. Men are most likely to become homeless.

    4. Only 8% of domestic violence services are designed specifically for men

    5. There are a grand total of 0 male only gyms officially registered.

    6. The education system is linear not modular, a system that favours women

    7. Men are now at a 2:1 disadvantage when looking for work in STEM fields.

    8. More than 50% of degrees in 2013 were gained by women

    9. In most divorce cases men are made to pay ridiculous sums.



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    Dysfunctional behaviour in women like game playing and agendas in the workplace is actually encouraged by feminists, "you go girl, whatever it takes to knock down walls."

    When you are in the midst of one of these women they are talking from personal agendas while the people around them are talking from a business perspective.

    They are extremely disruptive, waste a lot of people's time and people are afraid to challenge them. (The usual political correctness idiocy, like when people were afraid to challenge Asian Grooming gangs for political correctness reasons).




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    Frankly it's time that feminists were put in their place a bit. I think that time will come but unfortunately it is quite a few years off.
    Feminists are people who believe in equality of both sexes though.. I think you mean femiNAZIs, women who call themselves feminists but are completely disregarding of and/or of male issues
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    Feminism is about equality for both sexes.
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    (Original post by loveleest)
    Feminism is about equality for both sexes.
    I don't think so. Feminism is about furthering part of a "progressive agenda" at any cost which means that any other considerations are dismissed. We saw how political correctness works in the UK / Asian grooming affair. Political correctness works the same way in every context resulting in completely unbalanced situations which people are afraid to challenge because political correctness set out to frighten and threaten people, no turn them into non-people, financially destitute, destroyed credit files and their children on the street through firing them is they voice any disagreement.
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    This doesn't seem like a very balanced argument...
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    (Original post by IFoundWonderland)
    This doesn't seem like a very balanced argument...
    I wasn't trying to make it one. I was just making a point that women aren't the only ones with problems, which is a thing that many ignore

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    Feminists are people who believe in equality of both sexes though
    Supposedly. I mean that is what they say, but the clue is in the title. The fighting for equality in both sexes is just an afterthought when they get challenged on male issues from what I have seen. Men face sexism every day and it is ignored. In my opinion it is made worse by the fact that a man is not 'allowed' to complain about it...he has to 'man up' and get on with it. Like a guy isn't allowed to have flu these days, he has to joke about having 'man flu'.

    The OP makes some very serious points about male suicide etc. I could easily add to it (health funding - male issues get nowhere near what female issues do). But really, imagine a male equivalent of loose women on TV where the panel can openly **** off the opposite sex for fun. Imagine the show 'take me out' reversed where the men judged the women. I watched a clip the other day where 90% of women turned their lights out for a guy based on looks alone before the two women asked proudly announced they wouldn't 'be able to deal with the fact they could see their reflection in the guys bald head'. Queue laughter from the female audience (a sore issue for me if you have seen my other thread). Again, would be way too 'sexist' the other way around. "I wouldn't be able to date her because her t*ts are too saggy *audience laughs*." Not realistic.

    Women today are completely oblivious as to how easy they have it on the whole. A woman can basically be a complete b*tch and get away with it all because of feminism. It's a big problem but it's one which men aren't able to talk about such is the force of feminism at the moment.
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    (Original post by Jd_uk)
    Supposedly. I mean that is what they say, but the clue is in the title. The fighting for equality in both sexes is just an afterthought when they get challenged on male issues from what I have seen. Men face sexism every day and it is ignored. In my opinion it is made worse by the fact that a man is not 'allowed' to complain about it...he has to 'man up' and get on with it. Like a guy isn't allowed to have flu these days, he has to joke about having 'man flu'.

    The OP makes some very serious points about male suicide etc. I could easily add to it (health funding - male issues get nowhere near what female issues do). But really, imagine a male equivalent of loose women on TV where the panel can openly **** off the opposite sex for fun. Imagine the show 'take me out' reversed where the men judged the women. I watched a clip the other day where 90% of women turned their lights out for a guy based on looks alone before the two women asked proudly announced they wouldn't 'be able to deal with the fact they could see their reflection in the guys bald head'. Queue laughter from the female audience (a sore issue for me if you have seen my other thread). Again, would be way too 'sexist' the other way around. "I wouldn't be able to date her because her t*ts are too saggy *audience laughs*." Not realistic.

    Women today are completely oblivious as to how easy they have it on the whole. A woman can basically be a complete b*tch and get away with it all because of feminism. It's a big problem but it's one which men aren't able to talk about such is the force of feminism at the moment.
    Yes I completely agree with all of this, I'm not opposed to anything you have said. Just made a simple correction for someone who has the wrong idea about feminism I would class myself as a feminist because I believe that both of the sexes are human and therefore should be treated like humans. Its not fair how people use the word feminist everywhere in a bad light, not every woman says they are a feminist just to simply benefit females - at least I don't. Our society is ridiculously flawed as it tells young boys to grow up to be masculine. Socialisation is everywhere, most families do not condone feminine behaviour that their sons may show. The suicide statistic is awfully sad and most happen because men do not know how to SHOW emotion, as they are brought up to 'man up' and shrug it off. It's gonna take a lot more centuries for people to realise that men have every reason and choice not to be masculine. As for the TV shows, they are disgusting. It's completely made for entertainment, whilst lowering the self confidence of the people who go on.
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    (Original post by ElaArslan)
    Yes I completely agree with all of this, I'm not opposed to anything you have said. Just made a simple correction for someone who has the wrong idea about feminism I would class myself as a feminist because I believe that both of the sexes are human and therefore should be treated like humans. Its not fair how people use the word feminist everywhere in a bad light, not every woman says they are a feminist just to simply benefit females - at least I don't. Our society is ridiculously flawed as it tells young boys to grow up to be masculine. Socialisation is everywhere, most families do not condone feminine behaviour that their sons may show. The suicide statistic is awfully sad and most happen because men do not know how to SHOW emotion, as they are brought up to 'man up' and shrug it off. It's gonna take a lot more centuries for people to realise that men have every reason and choice not to be masculine. As for the TV shows, they are disgusting. It's completely made for entertainment, whilst lowering the self confidence of the people who go on.
    That's a good post. The only thing I will say is that I don't think it's a simple case of men being brought up to be masculine. The vast majority of men want to be masculine, it is in our nature. The trouble is that these days masculinity is often not respected and all the 'positive discrimination' in favour of women ignores the fact that women already had advantages in lots of areas - often just by nature. So now things have become unbalanced to the point where men really feel shafted in many, many areas hence the depression, suicide etc etc. Feminism is great in some ways (if I ever have daughter then I want her to be able to do well in her career if she wishes), but I really think it has made society so unbalanced.
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    (Original post by IFoundWonderland)
    This doesn't seem like a very balanced argument...
    Be the change you want to see in threads.
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    (Original post by Jd_uk)
    That's a good post. The only thing I will say is that I don't think it's a simple case of men being brought up to be masculine. The vast majority of men want to be masculine, it is in our nature. The trouble is that these days masculinity is often not respected and all the 'positive discrimination' in favour of women ignores the fact that women already had advantages in lots of areas - often just by nature. So now things have become unbalanced to the point where men really feel shafted in many, many areas hence the depression, suicide etc etc. Feminism is great in some ways (if I ever have daughter then I want her to be able to do well in her career if she wishes), but I really think it has made society so unbalanced.
    In my opinion, the biggest part of the reason why men want to be masculine is because they've been treated to be masculine ever since they were born (e.g verbal appilation and canalisation by parents). This also goes for femininity btw. And what areas did women already have positive discrimination in? (not challenging, just trying to educate myself more about this )There are still women who get payed less than men for the same job as well.. But I do agree that everything is unbalanced nowadays, people just do things that they believe is socially acceptable and just jump on the bandwagon when I comes to positive discrimination. It's not even right, eg for jobs it should totally depend on your skill and ability, not your gender, race or ethnicity.
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    (Original post by ElaArslan)
    In my opinion, the biggest part of the reason why men want to be masculine is because they've been treated to be masculine ever since they were born (e.g verbal appilation and canalisation by parents). This also goes for femininity btw. And what areas did women already have positive discrimination in? (not challenging, just trying to educate myself more about this )There are still women who get payed less than men for the same job as well.. But I do agree that everything is unbalanced nowadays, people just do things that they believe is socially acceptable and just jump on the bandwagon when I comes to positive discrimination. It's not even right, eg for jobs it should totally depend on your skill and ability, not your gender, race or ethnicity.
    I disagree with that to an extent. Yes there may be an element of boys feeling pressure to be a certain way but on the whole ot's a case of 'boys will be boys'. Our brains are on the whole biologically wired differently and certainly by the time of puberty and when testosterone kicks in, there are big changes. I'm saying that much of the reason so many young men commit suicide etc is because their masculinity isn't respected and only the female issues are highlighted these days.

    I didn't say that women already had 'positive discrimination' - that is a relatively new thing. I said that women already had advantages in certain areas, often by nature. Women certainly hold the keys in the dating world for example - that is just nature. It's got even worse now with online dating...take a newly single woman..if she sets up an online dating account then she will instantly get messages, matches etc. A guy... well. You'd have to know what it's like but guys shouldn't go near online dating if they aren't considered 'good looking'. Take the fact that groups of guys often aren't allowed to go into clubs or that clubs will offer half price entry to women, or that it's apparently ok to have female only gyms but would be far too sexist to have a male only gym.

    These may not sound things but they all add up and can affect the wellbeing of a man. Men are surrounded by this idea that women should be favoured and have it tougher regardless of the fact that the reality is often very different. I'm not even sure feminism has been that great for women sometimes.
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    (Original post by Jd_uk)
    I disagree with that to an extent. Yes there may be an element of boys feeling pressure to be a certain way but on the whole ot's a case of 'boys will be boys'. Our brains are on the whole biologically wired differently and certainly by the time of puberty and when testosterone kicks in, there are big changes. I'm saying that much of the reason so many young men commit suicide etc is because their masculinity isn't respected and only the female issues are highlighted these days.

    I didn't say that women already had 'positive discrimination' - that is a relatively new thing. I said that women already had advantages in certain areas, often by nature. Women certainly hold the keys in the dating world for example - that is just nature. It's got even worse now with online dating...take a newly single woman..if she sets up an online dating account then she will instantly get messages, matches etc. A guy... well. You'd have to know what it's like but guys shouldn't go near online dating if they aren't considered 'good looking'. Take the fact that groups of guys often aren't allowed to go into clubs or that clubs will offer half price entry to women, or that it's apparently ok to have female only gyms but would be far too sexist to have a male only gym.

    These may not sound things but they all add up and can affect the wellbeing of a man. Men are surrounded by this idea that women should be favoured and have it tougher regardless of the fact that the reality is often very different. I'm not even sure feminism has been that great for women sometimes.
    Ohh my bad, I misred it then.. But yes I completely understand your point.
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