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muslim guys and non muslim girls

hey

i've started going on dates with this guy who is a muslim. he's kind of strict in that he doesn't drink, he prays and fasts and only eats halal food. i'm a christian.

i know i shouldn't think too far, but honestly there is no point taking things further if they're not gonna happen later on, ie marriage/possible conversion etc.

so i'm wondering about:
1) what do most muslim guys who are this strict think about sex before marriage?
2) are muslim guys allowed to marry non muslim girls? (his mum converted to Islam when she married his dad) - i asked him if he could marry non muslim girls and he was like yeah i can marry anyone...but i dunno if he was just saying that because u don't wanna put off a potential, i dunno, ...that's why i'm thinking is he just using me? what are his motives?!

any help would be appreciated!

xxxx

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Reply 1
1) Sex outside of marriage is a no-no. There can be ways around it though, especially if he knows about and accepts mu'tah (sort of a temporary marriage).

2) Yes. (Although his remark of being able to marry anyone is not strictly true, he can marry you.)

Quick question though.. do his parents know?
Reply 2
ooh...what's mu'tah? cos i asked him about sex before marriage, and i can't remember exactly what he said cos we were beinog all jokey about it, and he was like basically kinda enthusiastic about sex, and said alcohol was worse...
and what do u mean anyone is not strictly true about the marriage question?

i think his mum does know about him going on dates with me. she seems to have no problem. he did go out with an atheist with a muslim name for a while, but they did split up before he came to uni.

thanks
xxxx
Reply 3
I was about to write a description then realised Wiki would probably be better

'Wiki Article'

Young unmarried couples may decide to use Nikahu’l-Mut‘ah as an allowable alternative to Zina. Thus in practice they engage in something very similar to western relations (that is, there is the potential of permanent marriage), but it differs in that there is a specified time as to how long the relationship is to last, with the possibility to prolong that period.


I mentioned him 'accepting' it in my original post because it's a very hotly-debated topic in the Muslim world.

As for those he can marry: strictly speaking, he can only marry those 'of the Book' which mean other (female) Muslims but can also include Christians and Jews.

The fact that his parents know or at least are tolerant of his relationships bode well; coming from a very traditional family and having to sneak around is not very maintainable in the long term (trust me on this :wink:).

hth,

fais
Reply 4
Anonymous
hey

i've started going on dates with this guy who is a muslim. he's kind of strict in that he doesn't drink, he prays and fasts and only eats halal food. i'm a christian.

i know i shouldn't think too far, but honestly there is no point taking things further if they're not gonna happen later on, ie marriage/possible conversion etc.

so i'm wondering about:
1) what do most muslim guys who are this strict think about sex before marriage?
2) are muslim guys allowed to marry non muslim girls? (his mum converted to Islam when she married his dad) - i asked him if he could marry non muslim girls and he was like yeah i can marry anyone...but i dunno if he was just saying that because u don't wanna put off a potential, i dunno, ...that's why i'm thinking is he just using me? what are his motives?!

any help would be appreciated!

xxxx


1) Fornication is a terrible terrible sin; Muslims have been stoned to death due to it.
2) Yes as long as they follow one god e.g. Christian & Jews.

To be honest if he really was that strict he would not have a relationship with you as free mixing is forbidden...This is the reason why very strict Muslims get arranged marriages in the first place.
Reply 5
Islam does not allow muta marriage, if he is a strict muslim like you said he will not do sex before marriage, infact he wouldnt go on dates with you....but yes he can marry you nothing wrong with that
Reply 6
Nikāḥu’l-Mut‘ah is a temporary marriage within Shi'a Islamic tradition.

fat_hobbit - "free-mixing" is an area of much debate.

To the OP - it's hard to gauge motive from your post but I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. You talk about conversion - how much do you know about Islam? It worries me if you'd consider it for the sake of a relationship/marriage.
Reply 7
what my motive is? what do u mean?

and my view is that i would not convert, which is why there may be a potential problem.
Reply 8
HanaanY
I thought it says you can marry "people of the book" if they're chaste only, and the wife has to agree for the kids to be muslim? Not sure on this.

TomTom to be fair she said, there's no point in taking things further if she would have to convert to marry.


Yes, sorry, I misread the original post. I'm not entirely clear on this either, but I've heard about respect for people "of the book".
Reply 9
Anonymous
what my motive is? what do u mean?

and my view is that i would not convert, which is why there may be a potential problem.


My apologies. I misread your post.
Tom
Nikāḥu’l-Mut‘ah is a temporary marriage within Shi'a Islamic tradition.

fat_hobbit - "free-mixing" is an area of much debate.

To the OP - it's hard to gauge motive from your post but I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. You talk about conversion - how much do you know about Islam? It worries me if you'd consider it for the sake of a relationship/marriage.


Yeah sure.

Being a muslim though, it is definently something that is frowned upon; it makes sense - no other religion make so much effort to seggregate men and women e.g. by making women wear the hijab, having single sex schools and so on.

Obviously guys and gals are allowed to interact when it comes to business, but thats it. Got this from google:

http://www.lutonmuslims.co.uk/freemixing.htm

When we consider all of the laws governing the relationship between men and women in Islam, it is clear that Islam forbids any mixing between the sexes that might provide even the remotest possibility of temptation. Scholars of Islam throughout history have fully appreciated this fact. We can see it evidenced in the writings of the great jurists:

Imam Al-Sarakhsî writes: “The judge should try women separately from men since people tend to crowd together in the courtroom. It is quite obvious that the mixing together of men and women under such crowded conditions is conducive to temptation and other distasteful consequences.” [al-Mabsût (16/80)]

Imam Al-Nawawî also writes: “Ibn al-Mundhir and others maintain that it is a matter of unanimous agreement that women are not obligated to attend the Jumu`ah prayers. However, his argument that this is because it brings about the mixing of women and men is not correct. The attendance of women at the Jumu`ah prayers does not necessarily bring about such mixing since the women stay behind the men.” [al-Majmû` (4/350)]

Al-Nawawî further explains: “One of the vilest innovations, that some ignorant people today are involved in, is the habit of lighting candles on Mount `Arafah on the ninth night. This behavior is gravely misguided and is full of improper goings-on such as the mixing of men and women.” [al-Majmû`: (8/140)]
fat_hobbit
Yeah sure.

Being a muslim though, it is definently something that is frowned upon; it makes sense - no other religion make so much effort to seggregate men and women e.g. by making women wear the hijab, having single sex schools and so on.

Obviously guys and gals are allowed to interact when it comes to business, but thats it. Got this from google:

http://www.lutonmuslims.co.uk/freemixing.htm

When we consider all of the laws governing the relationship between men and women in Islam, it is clear that Islam forbids any mixing between the sexes that might provide even the remotest possibility of temptation. Scholars of Islam throughout history have fully appreciated this fact. We can see it evidenced in the writings of the great jurists:

Imam Al-Sarakhsî writes: “The judge should try women separately from men since people tend to crowd together in the courtroom. It is quite obvious that the mixing together of men and women under such crowded conditions is conducive to temptation and other distasteful consequences.” [al-Mabsût (16/80)]

Imam Al-Nawawî also writes: “Ibn al-Mundhir and others maintain that it is a matter of unanimous agreement that women are not obligated to attend the Jumu`ah prayers. However, his argument that this is because it brings about the mixing of women and men is not correct. The attendance of women at the Jumu`ah prayers does not necessarily bring about such mixing since the women stay behind the men.” [al-Majmû` (4/350)]

Al-Nawawî further explains: “One of the vilest innovations, that some ignorant people today are involved in, is the habit of lighting candles on Mount `Arafah on the ninth night. This behavior is gravely misguided and is full of improper goings-on such as the mixing of men and women.” [al-Majmû`: (8/140)]


I respect your views completely but Muslims such as Rani Kabbani challenges the view that "women are made to wear the hijab". She stresses modesty.
Tom
I respect your views completely but Muslims such as Rani Kabbani challenges the view that "women are made to wear the hijab". She stresses modesty.


Well if you are female and orthodox you have to wear it. The hijab is definently there to promote 'modesty' imo. In this respect, I think Islam is quite over protective of women.

Personally, I think that they should have the choice - but I am far from being a good orthodox muslim. :eek:
Reply 13
no other religion make so much effort to seggregate men and women e.g. by making women wear the hijab, having single sex schools and so on.

Erm, actually orthodox Jewish women are supposedly meant to cover up. Some Christians too (think nuns) In the Sikh religion the men are meant to cover their hair. Just cause islam is one of the religions were more people follow it to the letter does not mean that it is the only religion where they try to segregate the sexes.

As for sex being worse than alcohol - this is not true. This guy is picking and choosing what he wishes with his religion. He's just keener on having sex than drinking. Just because he's muslim though does not mean he will not have sex before marriage. Loads of Muslims (men and women) have sex before marriage as do many others from other religions where it is prohibited.

As for fornication according to the Shariah being punishible by stoning to death. This is not true. That's adultery. Fornication is not punishable by death. Though lashing is sometimes used. However both of these are very rarely ever done.

Finally as for the muta marriage - this only appies to Shi'ites and the woman has to be a non-virgin.
Reply 14
Hijab is a whole other argument. Essentailly women should wear hijab and are supposed to but that does not mean that if they do not they are not Muslim.
Reply 15
Melissa85
As for fornication according to the Shariah being punishible by stoning to death. This is not true. That's adultery. Fornication is not punishable by death. Though lashing is sometimes used. However both of these are very rarely ever done.


No, young girls who are raped in muslim countries are never punished or hanged for it.
Reply 16
I think Islam is quite over protective of women.

Not really, No. I think Islam is protective of women but not over protective. They were the first lot of women to be given rights to own property and have businesses. The prophets wife was supposedly a big business woman. They are encouraged to keep their own surname rather than change it to their husbands and are encouraged to be educated.

I am no Muslim but I think that Islam is by the far the most misunderstood religion of current times and sadly so.
Reply 17
No, young girls who are raped in muslim countries are never punished or hanged for it.

If they are its nothing to do with Islam. Having lived in the Middle East (Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Dubai) I can tell you when a man is found guilty of rape, they are banged up for a long time, often life imprisonment. Quite rightly so I'd say. We need to do this in this country.
Reply 18
Haha, reminds me of my friend from college, he's such a legend, he told me "mal, ya know what, if i have to contain myself any longer, i will actually die."

*sighs*

I admire their patience... tis' all i have to say.
Anonymous

1) what do most muslim guys who are this strict think about sex before marriage?Probably not going to happen. If was serious you'd both wait.

2) are muslim guys allowed to marry non muslim girls? (his mum converted to Islam when she married his dad) - i asked him if he could marry non muslim girls and he was like yeah i can marry anyone...but i dunno if he was just saying that because u don't wanna put off a potential, i dunno, ...that's why i'm thinking is he just using me? what are his motives?!
Only if they convert. It's like that with most religions.