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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    I hope we don't make the same mistake in Iraq by suddenly throwing freedom at people instead of a gradual transfer of power.
    When I learned about Gandhi and his influence on Martin Luther King back when I was still in school, we didn't devote much time to discussing some of the negative results of India's independance. Later, I met many Indians that told me that they have mixed feelings about Gandhi because many feel that they would have had better lives when they were still under control of the British Empire. It's a side of the story you will never hear much about in the textbooks in schools.
    I'm surprised you know such Indians...
    Most of the Indians I know hate the guts of the British. Though it's probably worse with the Pakistani.
    I'm talking about actual Indian nationals not British Indians.
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    (Original post by John Paul Jones)
    not at all, Nazi ideology drew on the racist doctrines of the comte de Gobineau and Houston Stewart Chamberlain, on the nationalism of Heinrich von Treitschke, and on the hero-cult of Friedrich Nietzsche, often transforming the ideas of these thinkers. Nazi dogma, partly articulated by Hitler in Mein Kampf, was elaborated by the fanatical Alfred Rosenberg. Vague and mystical, it was not a system of well-defined principles but rather a glorification of prejudice and myth with elements of nihilism. Its mainstays were the doctrines of racial inequality and of adherence to the leader, its onlyconstant theme was nationalist expansion.

    Nazis did nationalize businesses after gaining power, particularly under the duress of war. But I don't think the Nazis necessarily were grounded in any particular economic philosophy.
    I remember Hitler's racist doctrine classifying races/nations as follows:
    the Aryan race right at the top
    followed by other Germans
    other Viking/warrior nations: Scandinavia and UK
    latin nations: were scum and should only be used as slaves, though he believe the Spaniards were the only tough latins.

    right at the bottom:
    Jews and gypsies

    Did those authors you mention have similar classifications?
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    I'm assuming that this sentence from the section you quoted is bothering you:
    "The English do not need to invent a mythical past for their self-esteem.."
    Those were the author's words that you quoted, not mine.
    No its actually from part of your own comment - your referrence to the 'english empire' particularly riled.

    (Original post by John Paul Jones)
    not at all, Nazi ideology drew on the racist doctrines of the comte de Gobineau and Houston Stewart Chamberlain, on the nationalism of Heinrich von Treitschke, and on the hero-cult of Friedrich Nietzsche, often transforming the ideas of these thinkers. Nazi dogma, partly articulated by Hitler in Mein Kampf, was elaborated by the fanatical Alfred Rosenberg. Vague and mystical, it was not a system of well-defined principles but rather a glorification of prejudice and myth with elements of nihilism. Its mainstays were the doctrines of racial inequality and of adherence to the leader, its onlyconstant theme was nationalist expansion.
    Just because someone is a racist that doesn't make him right-wing!

    He was a socialist. And a nationalist. And a racist. Nothing about what he stood far is right-wing.

    Hitler has more in common with Gordon Brown and Tony Benn than Thatcher and Bush.
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    (Original post by SamTheMan)
    I remember Hitler's racist doctrine classifying races/nations as follows:
    the Aryan race right at the top
    followed by other Germans
    other Viking/warrior nations: Scandinavia and UK
    latin nations: were scum and should only be used as slaves, though he believe the Spaniards were the only tough latins.

    right at the bottom:
    Jews and gypsies

    Did those authors you mention have similar classifications?


    basically yes, apart from the Spanish idea - as Hitler, after giving aid to the Nationalists in the Spanish Civil War, wanted Franco as an ally lol
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    (Original post by Just an LSE guy)
    Just because someone is a racist that doesn't make him right-wing!

    He was a socialist. And a nationalist. And a racist. Nothing about what he stood far is right-wing.

    Hitler has more in common with Gordon Brown and Tony Benn than Thatcher and Bush.
    no, he wasn't a socialist , he was very right wing, what are you talking about?? your view of history is quite addling :confused: :confused:

    he was a fascist nihilist with a lack of understanding of history, political philosophy or anything with any real credibility - that is indicative if you look at the people he read up about, they're nobodies - he perhaps has more in common with you, so it sadly seems.
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    (Original post by Just an LSE guy)
    Just because someone is a racist that doesn't make him right-wing!

    He was a socialist. And a nationalist. And a racist. Nothing about what he stood far is right-wing.

    Hitler has more in common with Gordon Brown and Tony Benn than Thatcher and Bush.
    Quite true, these days everyone seems only to understand politics in the prepackaged labour/democrats = left ,conservatives/republicans = right sense. Your economic policy (be it socialist derived or capitalist/free market) bears no relevance to your racial or humanitarian 'ethics' as proved by the nazis - left wing economically and absolutely right wing in terms of social agenda (if it may be called that).
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    (Original post by an Siarach)
    Quite true, these days everyone seems only to understand politics in the prepackaged labour/democrats = left ,conservatives/republicans = right sense. Your economic policy (be it socialist derived or capitalist/free market) bears no relevance to your racial or humanitarian 'ethics' as proved by the nazis - left wing economically and absolutely right wing in terms of social agenda (if it may be called that).


    i think i'm starting to understand why you were banned
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    (Original post by John Paul Jones)
    no, he wasn't a socialist , he was very right wing, what are you talking about?? your view of history is quite addling :confused: :confused:

    he was a fascist nihilist with a lack of understanding of history, political philosophy or anything with any real credibility - that is indicative if you look at the people he read up about, they're nobodies - he perhaps has more in common with you, so it sadly seems.
    Hitler was a socialist! and he was also right wing, indeed id class him as a true politician in that he did not align every policy or ideal to a single set e.g every policy is liberal/conservative/socialist/capitalist/fascist. As has been pointed out, the nazis were 'national socialists'.
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    (Original post by SamTheMan)
    I'm surprised you know such Indians...
    Most of the Indians I know hate the guts of the British. Though it's probably worse with the Pakistani.
    I'm talking about actual Indian nationals not British Indians.
    Are they young people or older people? It may make a difference. I saw a documentary on TV where many older people that were interviewed felt things were better when they were younger, but I guess you run into older people that feel that way in all countries, longiong for the "good old days". I doubt that the Americans that made the film would have any agenda when filming the interviews.
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    (Original post by John Paul Jones)
    i think i'm starting to understand why you were banned
    You have got to be kidding me. The fact that i point out the Nazis had a socialist economic policy while being right wing in many other areas means i should be banned?
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    (Original post by an Siarach)
    No its actually from part of your own comment - your referrence to the 'english empire' particularly riled.
    In that case, I apologize. I'll try to be more careful in the future.
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    (Original post by an Siarach)
    Hitler was a socialist! and he was also right wing, indeed id class him as a true politician
    well that is rather sad, and destroys your credibility concerning anything you say

    (Original post by an Siarach)
    in that he did not align every policy or ideal to a single set e.g every policy is liberal/conservative/socialist/capitalist/fascist. As has been pointed out, the nazis were 'national socialists'.
    how does that make him a socialist?? so is he a socialist in the sense of Joe Chamberlain? or the Fabians? or George Orwell? Frederich Engels? Robert Owen? Ramsay Macdonald?


    please - can you talk sense, i'm starting to doubt the historical integrity of any of you
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    In that case, I apologize. I'll try to be more careful in the future.
    Dont worry about it, its just a small irritation when that mistake is made( as it often is).
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    (Original post by John Paul Jones)
    well that is rather sad, and destroys your credibility concerning anything you say
    perhaps youd like to start providing a basis for what you say (its sad because...?)


    (Original post by John Paul Jones)
    how does that make him a socialist?? so is he a socialist in the sense of Joe Chamberlain? or the Fabians? or George Orwell? Frederich Engels? Robert Owen? Ramsay Macdonald?


    please - can you talk sense, i'm starting to doubt the historical integrity of any of you
    What i pointed out in that quote was not what made him a socialist, it was merely an explanation as to why he was classed as such despite being right wing in so many other areas - as youve said yourself you fail to understand how this is so. Socialism is mostly to do with economic policy, so the fact that Hitler was an imperialist etcetc doesnt change the fact that he was also a socialist - after all the USSR was a communist country and it had an empire of its own? You have to stop thinking that every politician is either totally left wing or totally right wing because it isnt always the case.
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    (Original post by Just an LSE guy)
    Listen, I have very little interest in trying to educate a Viking barbarian. You northern "English" are not even English - you're just descendents of those Viking *******s. Why dont you piss off back to Norway?

    you've destroyed your credibility, any sense that you may have actually made, and in my opinion you are not fit for this debate, i think you should now leave
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    (Original post by an Siarach)
    No its actually from part of your own comment - your referrence to the 'english empire' particularly riled.
    I went back and read my posts...
    I said British Empire when referring to India, Not English Empire. How was I wrong?
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    I went back and read my posts...
    I said British Empire when referring to India, Not English Empire. How was I wrong?
    Ah i wasnt referring to your post on india - i meant your first post, still there was no specific referrence to the 'english empire' so i apologise for that, though pretty much every time you use the word english in the final paragraph it should be 'british' which was why i complained.
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    Correction here Hitler was a devout nationalist and was fiercely opposed to the socialist politicians of the time disgusted as he was by the terms of the Versailles treaty
    Oh and Hitler did not create the NASDP he merely took it over and slowly changed its ideology
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    (Original post by BloodyValentine)
    Correction here Hitler was a devout nationalist and was fiercely opposed to the socialist politicians of the time disgusted as he was by the terms of the Versailles treaty
    Oh and Hitler did not create the NASDP he merely took it over and slowly changed its ideology
    yes i agree, Anton Drexler set up the National Socialists - Hitler destroyed its ideologies
 
 
 
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