Guardian University League Tables 2017

St Andrews is 3rd??? Surrey and Loughborough are 4th?! Lancaster is 8th?!?!?!?!?! You must be kidding me please don't follow league tables guys it's a load of marketing and bias.

Pfft, hark at her... Someone who bases various aspects of University purely on prestige. Really? Do you even have any university offers?

St Andrews is 3rd??? Surrey and Loughborough are 4th?! Lancaster is 8th?!?!?!?!?! You must be kidding me please don't follow league tables guys it's a load of marketing and bias.

These unis are actually really good I agree you don't have to base your whole decision on league tables but it gives you a good starting point

You must be really bad at interpreting what people say because I mentioned NOTHING about prestige. Stop twisting my words. I am in AS, I'm applying this year and I'm an international student so I'm unfamiliar with other less (quoting you) "PRESTIGIOUS" universities. If you get so butthurt over something I wasn't even implying well.....good on you. I said NOT to follow league tables in general because they're biased. Learn to read every detail into what someone says before jumping to a conclusion. Also, switching to personal attacks? Typical. I've seen that before.

Personal attacks? How so? How would you suggest choosing universities then? I read every detail by the way

And you're in AS so I'm not sure how you're qualified to judge university quality

A personal attack is a statement that is often fallacious in nature which targets the person and not the comment. i.e. It was unrelated to what I said, and you were just being rude.

So if I were to attempt to follow your train of thought, you're suggesting that matured students are better qualified to judge university quality than AS students or GCSE students simply because of age? That does not make any sense, I'm sorry 😂

Once again, I never implied these universities were in any way subordinate to the other universities, you kind of just picked it out yourself look - you're the only one who actually thought I meant what you said, so that's your problem. I'm not gonna reply after this because I'm just wasting my breath explaining myself when you're still hell bent on your own interpretation loooool

You're trying too hard hun. Firstly, you've contradicted yourself by saying you're not familiar with universities in the UK as a result of your international status, yet you have the audacity to mock Universities like Surrey and St Andrews, which by any standards are excellent universities!

I received 3 medicine offers, if you're so easily offended by criticisms, you aren't going to get far in medicine. It's inevitable A2 students will know more about Universities than those doing their AS or GCSE exams. Take myself for example, I've visited various University open days and I'm adamant I know a lot more than you regarding university choices.

This is a student forum...? Hence my counter argument to your complete disregard to universities other than Oxbridge. Good luck getting into medicine with such an attitude, you'll certainly need it! Ignore me all you like, it's simply indicative of the fact you know you're completely incorrect.


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Herts 94th! Shock, horror!

Im deciding between City or Brunel for Economics at the moment, any insights please?
City seems higher, but I keep hearing not to trust league tables....Plus apparently City has a high failure rate for Econ, but havent seen this on any league tables?

Not even half way into 2016 and there's rankings out for 2017. Logic...

What's actually happening? 😭

These rankings are designed to "inform" applicants for 2017 entry. The Times started that method of naming back in 94

There is a clear difference between criticism and attacking someone. "Do you even have any university offers?" Lol. You didn't give any constructive criticism, you merely shot me down for what I said. I could obtain no useful information from whatever you said. How do you know I was mocking them?

Ah, I've been to quite a number of Uni open days myself. Maybe you've been to every single one on the country? Good job. That doesn't make you know more than I do. Unless you're in that university, you won't know what it's like to be there.

So you're trying to use your three offers to scare me off? C-l-a-s-s-i-c. Stop being sour.

Use unistats to drill into the data used in the league tables.
https://unistats.direct.gov.uk/Subjects/Overview/10000961FT-L100UECON-FT-BSC/ReturnTo/Search
https://unistats.direct.gov.uk/Subjects/Overview/10001478FT-USECON/ReturnTo/Search

click through ALL of the different tabs and decide what matters to you (eg in the employment tab - City has a much higher rate of unemployment but those people who do get jobs are more likely to be in "professional" jobs, so it could just be that grads from city are less likely to need to get any old job to pay the bills | Brunel has an awful score for feedback being helpful/detailed on student satisfaction, but their students are more satisfied with the student union, organisation, library and personal development | Brunel has 100% exams in the first year but that drops off dramatically in the following years, City has a heavy exams focus throughout the course, More students at Brunel get a 2i or 1st than at City and fewer drop out after first year).

There's no right or wrong answers - all of these things should just give you the information to decide what suits you best and to ask the right questions.