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Cant think of any- any ideas?
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The single, world government is an inevitability; there's no point fighting it a la King Canute.
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Life ain't that bad right now. A leave vote throws uncertainty left right and centre and unleashes the law of unintended consequences. Anything could happen. Why risk something you know for the unknown?

In politics, the grass is never greener on the other side. Thatcher let us down. Blair let us down. Obama let those who believed in him down. Do you really think Boris, Gove and Farrage can deliver something that is better than we currently have?
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The single, world government is an inevitability; there's no point fighting it a la King Canute.
Strongly disagree, not only is it not inevitable, it is not desirable. It reminds me of empire, and if we are to say empire is a good thing, we might as well try to revive the Commonwealth rather than stick with the failure that is Europe.
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Life ain't that bad right now. A leave vote throws uncertainty left right and centre and unleashes the law of unintended consequences. Anything could happen. Why risk something you know for the unknown?

In politics, the grass is never greener on the other side. Thatcher let us down. Blair let us down. Obama let those who believed in him down. Do you really think Boris, Gove and Farrage can deliver something that is better than we currently have?
If life wasn't that bad now far left and far right parties wouldn't poll so much, we are already in uncertain conditions. A vote to remain is a vote for uncertainty.
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Cuckolds like being cucked
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in all seriousness, there are only a few reasons i can think of for people wanting to stay in:

1.) being a young naive socialist who want a federal Europe

2.) not knowing a thing about the workings of the EU but just not wanting to take a risk by leaving (obviously it escapes these people that staying in is the real, gigantic risk)

3.) Being satisfied with the status quo and being generally apathetic

- For security, economic prosperity, long term national unity, democracy, sovereignty, it's clear we need to leave. I hope that the past 40 odd years has just been a blip in our history and we'll go back to the self-governing, confident nation we used to be to grab hold of our future.
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Answer: There are none.
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Cheaper roaming charges.
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If life wasn't that bad now far left and far right parties wouldn't poll so much, we are already in uncertain conditions. A vote to remain is a vote for uncertainty.
As Donald Rusfeld said, let's chalk up staying as a "Known Unknown." unlike leaving which is very much an "Unknown Unknown." Better the devil you know. Better together than all alone in the dark.
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Ignoring the totally meaningless figures that are bandied about by government paid spin doctors there are no real benefits to staying in the EU.

The EU trade figures put about by the remain brigade are total lies. They class everything that goes through Rotterdam as a EU export but a lot of it goes via Rotterdam en route to countries outside the EU.

Leaving the EU could be terrible....for the rest of the EU. They need us a hell of a lot more than we need them. Look at what Norway have achieved outside the EU....with a €50 billion trade surplus with the EU. Terrible isn't it!

There are a lot more reasons than just financial to leave the UK. Our borders are no longer our own, our laws are no longer our own, we have no say in who we can deport any more.

It comes down to whether you want to be British or European first. I know what I want.
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1. Beneficial for our economy

2. We get lots of highly skilled immigrants that fill jobs British people can't fill

3. The EU is extremely progressive. They've given us most of our rights (our Human Rights, our consumer rights to refunds and working protects, our health and safety rights) and they've taken huge steps toward protecting the environment for future generations

4. They protect us from the corruption in our own country. The great irony about all these people harping on about "democracy" is that they've made their minds up almost entirely based on what they've read in Rupert Murdoch's tabloids. As Rupert Murdoch himself said when asked why he dislikes the EU: “When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.” Fortunately for Rupert, the British public will accept whatever the Daily Mail says without question.

5. They make us more significant. We have more negotiating power when trading, and we're stronger in international political matters, because we're part of the EU.
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Going to vote out...

UK pays £8.5bn each year for the membership fee only.

I understand that immigrants are beneficial to our economy such as skilled labour but some of them abuse our welfare system. Why do we need to pay loads of tax to provide benefits for some immigrants who are just too lazy to get out of bed and find work?
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(Original post by TheThiefOfBagdad)
The single, world government is an inevitability; there's no point fighting it a la King Canute.
In an age where power is being devolved to more local levels I'm not quite sure how it being amalgamated into supranational entities is the inevitability

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1. Beneficial for our economy

2. We get lots of highly skilled immigrants that fill jobs British people can't fill

3. The EU is extremely progressive. They've given us most of our rights (our Human Rights, our consumer rights to refunds and working protects, our health and safety rights) and they've taken huge steps toward protecting the environment for future generations

4. They protect us from the corruption in our own country. The great irony about all these people harping on about "democracy" is that they've made their minds up almost entirely based on what they've read in Rupert Murdoch's tabloids. As Rupert Murdoch himself said when asked why he dislikes the EU: “When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.” Fortunately for Rupert, the British public will accept whatever the Daily Mail says without question.

5. They make us more significant. We have more negotiating power when trading, and we're stronger in international political matters, because we're part of the EU.
They do none of those things

1) protectionism and very heavy regulations are not good for economies, especially in such a globalised world.

2) leaving the EU is not the same as closing the borders. Selecting which workers are let in based on needs is not the same as not letting anybody in. These people don't necessarily come here because we are in the EU, they come here because we have the jobs and they have the skills, why else do so many come from outside the EU?

Actually most of our rights were either written and passed entirely independently of the EU, or we were one of the major forces in writing the EU legislation. We have a long record of human rights and far more freedoms than many allegedly progressive EU states, particularly on religious freedoms.

4) if Murdoch gets ignored in Brussels he isn't lobbying very well, although it's more likely because he's foreign. When you get an unelected few (because they believe democracy dangerous) creating the rules after being lobbied by big business who know they can get regulations so they don't have to be competitive you can hardly say that they battle corruption because in a few cases people do better lobbying in Westminster.

5) like the rest of the remain campaign you do enjoy playing down Britain, the fifth biggest Economy in the world, one of the fastest growing economies in the major developed world, a nuclear power, a permanent member of the unsc, special relationship with the USA, the greatest soft power in the world and second greatest hard power, strong diplomatic ties with massive swathes of the world, founding and key member of NATO, need I go on? But of course, that all means nothing, the only thing that gives us influence is EU membership, our ties with the second slowest growing continent who can't even deal with internal problems and those on the doorstep.

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The ability to work, live, travel and study in the EU with far greater ease.
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Because I'd rather not leave worker rights and protections in the hands of Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.
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I absolutely love the irony of the Tory right claiming we need to leave the EU to support the NHS and fight corruption etc when the same people would privatise the NHS in an instant and tend to support wide scale lobbying and tax avoidance.
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The ability to work, live, travel and study in the EU with far greater ease.
And the ability for nearly half a billion to do the same here? If you want to go to Bulgaria for 98p per hour be my guest, or even £2.60 in Greece or Portugal.

In fact, in a hear only Luxembourg will have a higher minimum wage and we're bound to beat them too, unless they also increase their minimum wage.

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And the ability for nearly half a billion to do the same here? If you want to go to Bulgaria for 98p per hour be my guest, or even £2.60 in Greece or Portugal.

In fact, in a hear only Luxembourg will have a higher minimum wage and we're bound to beat them too, unless they also increase their minimum wage.
Er, what?

No, I wouldn't want to move to Bulgaria, Greece or Portugal. If I were to move to another EU country it'd probably be somewhere like France, Denmark or Sweden.

What point are you trying to make? Do you think that the UK is the greatest country in the EU and that everyone else is below us? In terms of the minimum wage and general standards of living Denmark and Sweden are far ahead of us.
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