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Austria: What is worst, a far right president or election fraud?

I cannot make up my mind fully but I think election fraud puts the Establishment in the same moral zone as being far right.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/24/austria-far-right-freedom-party-cries-foul-presidential-election-defeat

Also see
http://diepresse.com/home/politik/bpwahl/4994223/Van-der-Bellen_Ergebnis-bedeutet-enorme-Verantwortung?_vl_backlink=/home/politik/index.do

The postal vote was absurd, with a vast number of spoilt papers, a response that was very much higher than normal (300%) and a totally different result from the main election.
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Why is a far right president a problem (or a "worse" )?
Election fraud, in my mind, is much worse. If the majority of people want a far right president (may god have mercy on their souls) and vote him/her in, then the candidate should be elected. Election fraud to win support just stirs up anger amongst the opposition and severely destabilises the country.
Original post by TimGB
Election fraud, in my mind, is much worse. If the majority of people want a far right president (may god have mercy on their souls) and vote him/her in, then the candidate should be elected. Election fraud to win support just stirs up anger amongst the opposition and severely destabilises the country.


I suppose that the German experience of the 1930s affects them - they are trying to avoid a repeat.

However, if you are a Remain voter, contemplate an EU dominated in by the far right in 10-20 years. What will you do then? Even at its height the BNP got almost zero in uk Parliamentary elections. These extremes are not British.
Original post by newpersonage
I suppose that the German experience of the 1930s affects them - they are trying to avoid a repeat.

However, if you are a Remain voter, contemplate an EU dominated in by the far right in 10-20 years. What will you do then? Even at its height the BNP got almost zero in uk Parliamentary elections. These extremes are not British.


If that were to happen then I would vote for Brexit. The economic problems caused by leaving would be dwarfed by the moral problem of supporting far right, oppressive governments by trading with them.
Original post by TimGB
If that were to happen then I would vote for Brexit. The economic problems caused by leaving would be dwarfed by the moral problem of supporting far right, oppressive governments by trading with them.


Like we do now with the Saudis?
Original post by GwynLordOfCinder
Like we do now with the Saudis?


Yeah, I don't think the government should be supporting them, but tories will be tories.
Original post by TimGB
Yeah, I don't think the government should be supporting them, but tories will be tories.


I'd stake a lot of money Labour would do the same thing. Only hard left groups like the greens or hard right nationalists like the BNP would actually break ties with the Saudis.
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Original post by newpersonage
I suppose that the German experience of the 1930s affects them - they are trying to avoid a repeat.


You mean when the left wing socialists came to power?
The Austrian and other western media outlets did a fantastic job of using fear-mongering to detract voters (which is ironically what Hofer and Strache were accused of doing with the populace).
Haven't you noticed that far-right is only used towards White political parties who oppose immigration?

They are considered extreme...

but this doesn't apply to the rest of the world who does not destroy their populations with non-native immigration?
Original post by newpersonage
I cannot make up my mind fully but I think election fraud puts the Establishment in the same moral zone as being far right.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/24/austria-far-right-freedom-party-cries-foul-presidential-election-defeat

Also see
http://diepresse.com/home/politik/bpwahl/4994223/Van-der-Bellen_Ergebnis-bedeutet-enorme-Verantwortung?_vl_backlink=/home/politik/index.do

The postal vote was absurd, with a vast number of spoilt papers, a response that was very much higher than normal (300%) and a totally different result from the main election.


Fraud, it will only embolden, and offer the moral high ground, to the far right. How we haven't understood this in Europe yet is astonishing.

These conversations are going to happen, we need clear thinkers to frame them, not avoid them.
Original post by SoulOnIce
Haven't you noticed that far-right is only used towards White political parties who oppose immigration?

They are considered extreme...

but this doesn't apply to the rest of the world who does not destroy their populations with non-native immigration?


FPOE made no allusion to the white race. Point being that in 2016, nationality and race should not be linked.
Original post by TimGB
If that were to happen then I would vote for Brexit. The economic problems caused by leaving would be dwarfed by the moral problem of supporting far right, oppressive governments by trading with them.


It is a bit more complex than trade with them. The Eurozone is on course for political union by 2025 (remember the 2 speed EU?). They will have 90% of the vote in the EU Council so you will be ruled by them.

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