OCR GCSE Classical Greek

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    I know not a lot of people study Greek but I thought it'd be worth a shot. Would anyone please be able to share any notes on the Herodotus set texts (Amasis, Pactyes and Euenius) regarding the stylistic features he uses to make the passage for dramatic/vivid/interesting? I have a few basic ones but not enough to answer a 10 marker. Long shot, but thank you so much in advance if you have some!
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    Good luck everyone, (I do Latin, it's really impressive that you do Greek. I did the entry level in Greek a while back and that was hard enough for me)
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    Hiya

    I'm taking it today and I'm so worried!

    I don't have any notes to send, but my advice would be to base your 10-marker mainly around content (I think you only need two style points?) and for style, there will probably be some repetition or alliteration...

    Best of luck.


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    I found the 10 and 8 mark question hard


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    (Original post by kart1400)
    I found the 10 and 8 mark question hard


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    The ten-marker was a bit difficult - but found the 8-marker okay!
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    (Original post by metellaest)
    The ten-marker was a bit difficult - but found the 8-marker okay!
    I found it okay overall ... 10mark was a bit weird but hopefully not to bad! Also, if you guys do Latin and did the Pliny yesterday... I found that I had more time today even though it's practically the same exam!
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    (Original post by fuzz13)
    I found it okay overall ... 10mark was a bit weird but hopefully not to bad! Also, if you guys do Latin and did the Pliny yesterday... I found that I had more time today even though it's practically the same exam!
    Same about Pliny! I'm doing Aeneid tomorrow. You?

    I thought they could have chosen a better passage for the ten-marker. I got lots of content, but struggled a bit with style....
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    Can I ask what you guys put for the 10 and 8 mark question since I don't think I did well in them. It would be reassuring if yours ideas matched with mine. Thanks.
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    (Original post by kart1400)
    Can I ask what you guys put for the 10 and 8 mark question since I don't think I did well in them. It would be reassuring if yours ideas matched with mine. Thanks.
    No problem - I'm sure you did fine. They are fairly generously marked. Personally, I'm worried by 5-mark translation was a little iffy!

    For the ten marker, I can't remember exactly, but for content:
    - they made them secret - deceitful
    - came and sat down beside him - make him feel equal, so he's more susceptible to their manipulation (bit of a dodgy point)
    - made other conversation - distracting him
    - expressing sympathy - manipulating him
    - leading him on in this way - fairly obvious
    - 'he would choose' - so they can work out how high his demands are or something (I can't remember what I wrote)
    - forget to write this, but 'he, not having heard the prophecy'
    - he would in future not be angry - he doesn't realise they have deceived him
    - would suffice - he doesn't realise what he could have had

    and for style: (I really struggled)
    - repetition of 'finest'
    - repetition of 'Ap' stem in 'Apolloniates secret'

    and for the eight-marker:
    Amasis
    - shows the oracles to not always be truthful
    - shows that people put their faith in them (it's their first port of call)
    - shows the respect Amasis gives to the truthful one
    Euenius
    - shows the brazen nature of the gods ('we urged on the wolves')
    - their determination ('we shall not cease avenging')
    - their protective nature over victims ('unjustly did you deprive')
    Pactyes
    - go to considerable extent to teach Aristodicus a lesson
    - protector of suppliants
    [all points supported with evidence]


    Hope that helped?
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    Yeah Aeneid tomorrow! I agree it wasn't the best passage but still could have been worse like something from Arria!
    (Original post by metellaest)
    Same about Pliny! I'm doing Aeneid tomorrow. You?

    I thought they could have chosen a better passage for the ten-marker. I got lots of content, but struggled a bit with style....
    For the 10mark I said..
    - they made other conversation to distract him
    - I said that one verb bit showed their intention to deceive (leading him on in this way..)
    - he chose without having heard the prophecy
    - he would choose....optative shows it's hypothetical
    - they kept the oracular response a secret
    - the kept the identity of the townsmen secret/unnamed, just like they kept the response in secret (bit dodgy!)
    - they made a metaphorical descent to sit beside him (again dodgy!)
    - the repetition/polyptoton of bring about/accomplish
    - wrote something about the future can't remember what exactly!
    - how his physical blindness mirrors his mental blindness
    - how the use of the superlatives shows how they would have been amazing for him showing how humble he was (incredibly dodgy!) haha

    For the 8mark I put
    Amasis:- shows it to be a matter of chance whether the oracle is truthful or not
    -
    Euenius:- that they were taking vengeance for Euenius
    - they deceived everyone by urging on the wolves

    Pactyes:- disbelieved the oracle
    - tried to show the oracle what he thought was right

    I swear I must have put more than that...! Tbh, I just blabbed on about how it was interesting that they didn't trust the miracles and Herodotus was painting a dodgy picture!!

    (Original post by kart1400)
    Can I ask what you guys put for the 10 and 8 mark question since I don't think I did well in them. It would be reassuring if yours ideas matched with mine. Thanks.
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    (Original post by fuzz13)
    Yeah Aeneid tomorrow! I agree it wasn't the best passage but still could have been worse like something from Arria!


    For the 10mark I said..
    - they made other conversation to distract him
    - I said that one verb bit showed their intention to deceive (leading him on in this way..)
    - he chose without having heard the prophecy
    - he would choose....optative shows it's hypothetical
    - they kept the oracular response a secret
    - the kept the identity of the townsmen secret/unnamed, just like they kept the response in secret (bit dodgy!)
    - they made a metaphorical descent to sit beside him (again dodgy!)
    - the repetition/polyptoton of bring about/accomplish
    - wrote something about the future can't remember what exactly!
    - how his physical blindness mirrors his mental blindness
    - how the use of the superlatives shows how they would have been amazing for him showing how humble he was (incredibly dodgy!) haha

    For the 8mark I put
    Amasis:- shows it to be a matter of chance whether the oracle is truthful or not
    -
    Euenius:- that they were taking vengeance for Euenius
    - they deceived everyone by urging on the wolves

    Pactyes:- disbelieved the oracle
    - tried to show the oracle what he thought was right

    I swear I must have put more than that...! Tbh, I just blabbed on about how it was interesting that they didn't trust the miracles and Herodotus was painting a dodgy picture!!
    "- how his physical blindness mirrors his mental blindness" - that is a really good point!

    Sounds like you definitely did enough

    Good luck tomorrow!
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    (Original post by metellaest)
    "- how his physical blindness mirrors his mental blindness" - that is a really good point!

    Sounds like you definitely did enough

    Good luck tomorrow!
    Thank you!! You too!
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    Did anyone else do Lucian yesterday?
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    I did the Lucian questions
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    (Original post by metellaest)
    No problem - I'm sure you did fine. They are fairly generously marked. Personally, I'm worried by 5-mark translation was a little iffy!

    For the ten marker, I can't remember exactly, but for content:
    - they made them secret - deceitful
    - came and sat down beside him - make him feel equal, so he's more susceptible to their manipulation (bit of a dodgy point)
    - made other conversation - distracting him
    - expressing sympathy - manipulating him
    - leading him on in this way - fairly obvious
    - 'he would choose' - so they can work out how high his demands are or something (I can't remember what I wrote)
    - forget to write this, but 'he, not having heard the prophecy'
    - he would in future not be angry - he doesn't realise they have deceived him
    - would suffice - he doesn't realise what he could have had

    and for style: (I really struggled)
    - repetition of 'finest'
    - repetition of 'Ap' stem in 'Apolloniates secret'

    and for the eight-marker:
    Amasis
    - shows the oracles to not always be truthful
    - shows that people put their faith in them (it's their first port of call)
    - shows the respect Amasis gives to the truthful one
    Euenius
    - shows the brazen nature of the gods ('we urged on the wolves'
    - their determination ('we shall not cease avenging'
    - their protective nature over victims ('unjustly did you deprive'
    Pactyes
    - go to considerable extent to teach Aristodicus a lesson
    - protector of suppliants
    [all points supported with evidence]


    Hope that helped?
    Its good to see that I have put some information that matches yours. Thanks guys. Anyways what do you think the grade boundaries for this exam might be?
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    (Original post by kart1400)
    Its good to see that I have put some information that matches yours. Thanks guys. Anyways what do you think the grade boundaries for this exam might be?
    Not sure - I think it's normally low 40s out of 50 for an A*? But I haven't actually done a Herodotus past paper, so I don't know whether it was harder or easier...
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    I've never done a paper before although when we had our mock in January my teacher made a paper up and I got 40/50 and he said I only just got an A? So yeah I'm worried....
    (Original post by metellaest)
    Not sure - I think it's normally low 40s out of 50 for an A*? But I haven't actually done a Herodotus past paper, so I don't know whether it was harder or easier...
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    (Original post by Rick_mukherjee)
    I did the Lucian questions
    Me too! 'A True History' is completely nuts, right? Herodotus is probably safer but not nearly as interesting. Mind if I ask you a few questions? What points did you get for q. 23? And what about the translation that showed the planets were bright - would 'resembling fire in colour' work?
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    I put resembling fire for that question. What was questions 23 again, it's all vanished from my mind now
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    Oh gosh, you know, now I can't remember either isn't it funny how your mind goes blank a few days after you've done the exam? All I remember is that me and my !only! fellow candidate were asked to write 2 points about... something and we could only think of one.
 
 
 
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