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Reply 20

Spunky
Think I used six booklets in my three hour exam yesterday :smile: , I write a lot and also as it was an essay exam was advised to write on every other line.

For my engineering exams though I often get into four booklets quite easily, even though we only answer five questions :redface: , but then I write a lot (and I mean a horrendous amount) to ensure I get every single little mark that I can.

Sounds impressive. I bet the examiners are going to hate you, though, for giving them so much to mark.:biggrin:

Reply 21

hobnob
Sounds impressive. I bet the examiners are going to hate you, though, for giving them so much to mark.:biggrin:

I don't think the examiners will particularly like it in the management paper I recently did, as I think essays are far more about quality than quantity, so hope the length won't count against me! But for all of my other papers (engineering/economics) I think its quite sensible to put down as much correct and relevant (if perhaps slightly superfluous) information as possible, it certainly bagged me a lot of marks in Prelims :biggrin: .

And my writing is quite neat and my work usually flows well, with legible and clear working, so I think they probably like me a lot more than the vast majority of other candidates :p: !

Reply 22

raven100
Also in arts subjects, its difficult to get much over 70% (first class). I remember reading one of the MHE examiners reports and they said that they had been able to award one distinction at the exceptionally high level of 75%.

So for all intents and purposes, 75-80% is like a glass ceiling.

Well... I'm not sure how true this is for other arts subjects but I know that for Modern Languages (which is made up 50/50 of language/literature papers) you can get over 75 without too much difficulty, because even I got an average of 75.5 in German and the same average in Russian, including some papers in the 80s. So it's not impossible. I guess it's trickier for history and such though.

Reply 23

you can't really compare marks across subjects, though- what does it mean to be as good at physics as french, anyway?

Reply 24

thomasjtl
you can't really compare marks across subjects, though- what does it mean to be as good at physics as french, anyway?

But what raven100 said was that 'in arts subjects, its difficult to get much over 70%'. Modern Langages is an arts subject. Ergo: it's relevant.

Reply 25

Yea, maybe language people do tend to get more first, looking at joint schools of history and modern languages they had a 48% first pass rate, which i think makes them very much the exception to the general rule of above 70 being difficult and above 80 is unheard of in most arts subjects (although not impossible).

On the subject of those booklets, they are bloody annoying, ive wrote stuff in the wrong box a couple of times, including that one which says "examination", where your meant to put your degree subjects, but ive stuck in the paper name before reading the next box which says "paper title" lol. surely its easy to at least get up to 4 books -1 for rough working and 3 for essays at least.

Reply 26

The pass marks etc are so confusing. I have heard completely different things from different tutors about how the exams are graded. Do the rules actually exist or is it just a bunch of examiners having a cup of tea and giving you are a mark that "represents" more or less how you did? I think the rules need to be better explained so people actually know what's going on.

I did four mods papers for my course (CAAH) and whilst I think I got good marks in three of them, I totally flunked my latin paper (we're talking about 10% here.) Does this mean I fail? Resit? Or might the examiners deem that since i don't need to do latin ever again if the other papers are good enough they will round it up to a pass? I just don't know. I asked my tutor and all she said was, "i'm sorry to hear it didn't go well."

And yes, I agree, those exam booklets are annoying!

Reply 27

Diyalah
I did four mods papers for my course (CAAH) and whilst I think I got good marks in three of them, I totally flunked my latin paper (we're talking about 10% here.) Does this mean I fail? Resit? Or might the examiners deem that since i don't need to do latin ever again if the other papers are good enough they will round it up to a pass? I just don't know.

Normally for mods you'll just have to resit the paper you failed.

Reply 28

thomasjtl
you can't really compare marks across subjects, though- what does it mean to be as good at physics as french, anyway?

Being good at the latter means that you can understand a French person chatting crap to you; being good at the former means you can build a sweet-ass nuke to make them shut the hell up.

Reply 29

Is it common for people to fail the exams and get kicked out, or is this for the realllllllllllllly lazy people!?

Reply 30

jack_sparrow
Is it common for people to fail the exams and get kicked out, or is this for the realllllllllllllly lazy people!?

I don't know of anyone who has failed exams first time round, let alone resits :smile: .

Reply 31

Uh I know two...
No essentially to actually fail your exams if you've worked throughout the year and done revision is unheard of. The two I know of that got kicked out were both internationals (not wishing to stereotype but you never know the language barrier) one of whom had failed her first year of CAAH then reapplied as a biologist, got in, retook, flunked out again which may suggest something about how hard she was working. The second was a chemist, who admitted like a week before exams that he didnt understand one of the most basic concepts, without which he couldn't understand another 50% of the entire course. And he really wanted to do maths so did no work. And didn't even turn up to retakes.

I also know of an E+M-ist who got like a 1st in management a good 2i in economics and then failed maths - he passed his retake with 40%. So I guess it's easier to flunk for subjects where you're doing lots of very different things. But no if you've worked, you're not getting kicked out.

Reply 32

I found the exams so bloody difficult, worse than collections despite having done loads more revision than for collections. I think that's a bad sign. I really wanted to get a first but now I think I'll be lucky to get a 2.1 :frown:

Reply 33

Ok so they may make me retake latin if - wait, no, I think it is fair to use 'as' - I have flunked it, but considering that even with extra tuition I am basically just retarded at languages and have never successfully passed a latin test/collection, I don't fancy my chances at a retake. My tutor knows how much I've struggled with latin and once told me that its ok because I'm good at everything else, and as I'm not doing Classics, latin isn't necessary for the rest of my course. She also knows I've been working really hard and my latin tutor is willing to send her a letter saying so.

So basically my question is this: if I fail the latin retake, as is very likely, will they still kick me out???

Reply 34

Agrippina
I found the exams so bloody difficult, worse than collections despite having done loads more revision than for collections. I think that's a bad sign. I really wanted to get a first but now I think I'll be lucky to get a 2.1 :frown:


Agripinna are you a CAAH person?

(ignore this if you're not):
What was so bad about yours? I feel like the exams this year were a lot harder than the past papers in terms of questions. Whether thats because they thought we could handle it or because they were being harsh I don't know. But so long as you answered the questions, even if the answers weren't amazing you should pass: remember Albert's speech about only needing to write two points and you're done, according to P Hareer. Although P Hareer is the man responsible for me (still) doing latin and is therefore on my most hated list. I really wish this logic applied to latin, although that said since I neglected to answer a whole section (out of three parts) I still don't think that would save me....

Reply 35

Diyalah
Agripinna are you a CAAH person?

(ignore this if you're not):
What was so bad about yours? I feel like the exams this year were a lot harder than the past papers in terms of questions. Whether thats because they thought we could handle it or because they were being harsh I don't know. But so long as you answered the questions, even if the answers weren't amazing you should pass: remember Albert's speech about only needing to write two points and you're done, according to P Hareer. Although P Hareer is the man responsible for me (still) doing latin and is therefore on my most hated list. I really wish this logic applied to latin, although that said since I neglected to answer a whole section (out of three parts) I still don't think that would save me....

Yep I'm Rachel :smile: I definitely found the mods papers this year a lot worse than the past papers I've done. I mean I've looked at *all* the past papers for all the ones I took and I could definitely have managed those better. I'm not sure what it was that made them so difficult, just lots of the questions were on things I hadn't thought about before, and the gobbets for Tac+Tib were just AWFUL. Mind you I think we all thought that so i'm obviously not the only one. It seems to be a general consensus that this year was pretty hard so hopefully they won't be too harsh in their marking!!

Reply 36

Jenski
Bloomin' Fricker! How nasty was populations :frown: sob. Also realised that I've been writing in the wrong bit of the answer booklet, over the bit where it says "For Examiners' Use". I do hope they mark it!


I'm guessing from the fact that your name is on the 'brainy people who got a first' bit, that they did mark those bits :P
Well done, anyway :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: Your college seems to have wiped the floor with everyone else XD

Also, thank you for the reassurance Boo :biggrin: Haven't got the individual marks back yet, but I'm pretty sure I buggered up cells and genes, was ok in organisms, and aced populations, and managed to come out with a 2:1 or 2:2 :biggrin: Having not had any rude letters telling me I have to resit anything, I assume they don't care what the individual paper marks.
I love Martin Speight :smile:

Reply 37

Original post by Cirsium
Yup Sam's got it right - I didn't realise this until the week before my Mods when Martin Speight asked me why on earth I was in Zoology and when I explained I needed to revise unless i wanted to fail Cells and Genes he said but you can fail cells and genes all you want provided you do well in populations, so go out in the sunshine and have some fun instead :wink:


Do you mean that you don't need to pass all the individual papers as long as you average a 40% in the BioSci prelims? Does the same hold true for Finals as well?