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    Is it ok to make your toaster work for free. well yes of course but where does it stop? Can we use microorganisms (such a yeast) as "slaves"? If so, what about something bigger? Is it write to make animals work? Where does it stop?

    I'm not advocating slavery I am just wondering at which point from having a washing machine to having an unpaid person wash the dished become not ok?
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    I'm a human supremacist, so I say that all non-human lifeforms (or machines) should be enslaved.

    Humans, on the other hand, are usually more valuable as free people.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    I'm a human supremacist, so I say that all non-human lifeforms (or machines) should be enslaved.

    Humans, on the other hand, are usually more valuable as free people.
    What about if we found intelligent life on other planets? (e.g ood for Dr Who)
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    I'm a human supremacist, so I say that all non-human lifeforms (or machines) should be enslaved.

    Humans, on the other hand, are usually more valuable as free people.
    That is one of the edgiest things I've ever heard. I don't even totally disagree with you, it's just really edgy sounding
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    Washing machines and microorganisms don't have emotion...
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    (Original post by Life_Noob)
    What about if we found intelligent life on other planets? (e.g ood for Dr Who)
    Enslave them, if we can. Or befriend them if we can't. Or get wiped out by them if they are hostile.

    (Original post by GwynLordOfCinder)
    That is one of the edgiest things I've ever heard. I don't even totally disagree with you, it's just really edgy sounding
    Why thank you :flutter:

    It sounds edgier than it actually is; most people are human supremacists, from Christians to humanists.

    Most people believe in human rights - rights you have just for being born human. Tell me that's not human supremacy.
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    (Original post by Serine Soul)
    Washing machines and microorganisms don't have emotion...
    oxen do and we enslave them
    as do horses
    as do elephants
    as do most large land mammals
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    (Original post by Serine Soul)
    Washing machines and microorganisms don't have emotion...
    How do you define emotion? Why does lack of emotion make slavery acceptable? Why does existence of emotion make slavery unacceptable? We've enslaved animals, such as dogs, which have emotions. Is that wrong?
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    We must take advantage of the robots before they take over the world.
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    (Original post by GwynLordOfCinder)
    oxen do and we enslave them
    as do horses
    as do elephants
    as do most large land mammals
    exactly, so where does it stop? What if we could breed 'lesser' humans who didn't have the power to stay stop. Would it stop at land mammals??!
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    (Original post by Life_Noob)
    exactly, so where does it stop? What if we could breed 'lesser' humans who didn't have the power to stay stop. Would it stop at land mammals??!
    By 'lesser humans', what do you mean? We could put human genes into animals, we could grow human parts for cyborgs, but that doesn't make them humans. Its all about the brain, imo. Put a human brain in a machine, and its a human. Put a machine in a humans body, its a robot.
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    (Original post by GwynLordOfCinder)
    oxen do and we enslave them
    as do horses
    as do elephants
    as do most large land mammals
    I never said they didn't...
    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    How do you define emotion? Why does lack of emotion make slavery acceptable? Why does existence of emotion make slavery unacceptable? We've enslaved animals, such as dogs, which have emotions. Is that wrong?
    Depends on how you look at it
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    (Original post by Serine Soul)
    I never said they didn't...
    I never said you said they didn't...
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    "Enslavement" is not wrong if it isn't causing any unnecessary suffering to and violating the preferences of the being that is enslaved.

    If, however, a robot wanted not to be enslaved, then the enslavement would be wrong. If non-human animals suffer unnecessarily when being enslaved, then the "enslavement" is wrong.
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    (Original post by viddy9)
    If, however, a robot wanted not to be enslaved, then the enslavement would be wrong. If non-human animals suffer unnecessarily when being enslaved, then the "enslavement" is wrong.
    How do you determine whether a creature wants to be enslaved or not? Most domestic animals would probably prefer to stay enslaved, but we can hardly ask them.

    Can a robot want something, if it is the product of its programming? Isn't it forced by its programming? Isn't its programming enslaving it? But it is its programming
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    How do you determine whether a creature wants to be enslaved or not? Most domestic animals would probably prefer to stay enslaved, but we can hardly ask them.

    Can a robot want something, if it is the product of its programming? Isn't it forced by its programming? Isn't its programming enslaving it? But it is its programming
    Humans are simply biological machines. We have no free will. We are our own programming, too.

    It depends on what action with respect to domestic animals we're talking about. Many of my fellow vegans, for instance, talk about the enslavement of animals for food. The meat industry certainly causes unnecessary suffering, and should be outlawed, and if we define its practices as enslavement, then that form of enslavement should be abolished.

    Generally, society doesn't really use domestic animals as "slaves" anymore. If you could "enslave" a domesticated animal without causing it unnecessary harm, then that would be permissible. If it did cause them unnecessary harm, I'd rather we didn't breed such domesticated animals.

    Basically, I don't think that "slavery" is intrinsically wrong unless it causes unnecessary suffering in the process.
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    We create a sustainable environment where every living creatures' welfare are protected and cherished. We create toasters and washing machines that are happy to work in the way they do.

    Animals should be domesticated not to exploit or cause unnecessary harm, but for symbiotic purposes. When I'm 65 years old I picture myself owning a firm with a herd of sheep and chickens and roosters because it's awesome.
 
 
 
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