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    Generally, there will always be exceptions. But when it comes to liberalism and conservatism - liberalism is fundamentally a better ideology.

    Where we work together with other countries or other groups of society to actively improve the world, where we reach out and help those of us who are suffering, rather than sticking to ourselves and pretending that half of the world's problems won't eventually affect us.
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    (Original post by sainsburys wraps)
    Generally, there will always be exceptions. But when it comes to liberalism and conservatism - liberalism is fundamentally a better ideology.

    Where we work together with other countries or other groups of society to actively improve the world, where we reach out and help those of us who are suffering, rather than sticking to ourselves and pretending that half of the world's problems won't eventually affect us.
    Who is doing the reaching out? You see if you want to help people.. it costs money. The UK has over 1.5 trillion pounds worth of debt. Who do you think will pay for "your" virtuous shows of generosity?

    The future generations, OTHER PEOPLE who get no say

    I am better than you because i took your wallet out your pocket and gave a homeless guy £20 and bought a sad looking teenager a Costa using your card
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    Well I am not sure on your definitions of liberal and conservative here. For one thing they aren't opposites. But I guess you mean left and right wing. I would say that cooperation is indeed more desirable than isolation but the rights of the individual should never be sacrificed.
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Who is doing the reaching out? You see if you want to help people.. it costs money. The UK has over 1.5 trillion pounds worth of debt. Who do you think will pay for your virtuous shows of generosity?

    The future generations

    I am better than you because i took your wallet out your pockets and gave a homeless guy £20 and bought a sad looking teenager a Costa using your card
    No one specific but history shows that when we do nothing and leave the world to work on its own, chaos happens and it almost always ends up affecting us. For example, if we had tried to strongly enforce a peaceful resolution to the Syrian War and to remove the vile dictator Assad, we wouldn't be having a major section of this massive refugee crisis.

    You can keep to yourselves and save money, but the consequences of neglecting the international stage and international problems always affects us - at which time its too late to solve it.
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    (Original post by sainsburys wraps)
    Generally, there will always be exceptions. But when it comes to liberalism and conservatism - liberalism is fundamentally a better ideology.

    Where we work together with other countries or other groups of society to actively improve the world, where we reach out and help those of us who are suffering, rather than sticking to ourselves and pretending that half of the world's problems won't eventually affect us.
    Liberalism is better than Conservatism. However, it is not as good as Socialism
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    Average Liberal
    Inexperienced, childish, Naïve, wishful thinking, living in fairy land. Good intentions but lacks vision.

    Average Conservative
    Someone who has experienced the world and understands it isn't Disney World . Proposes realistic solutions.

    Conservatives are the parents in our society. They are those who have think about the harsh truths in life, and at the end of the day, they are the one's who keep our society functiononing.
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    (Original post by sainsburys wraps)
    No one specific but history shows that when we do nothing and leave the world to work on its own, chaos happens and it almost always ends up affecting us. For example, if we had tried to strongly enforce a peaceful resolution to the Syrian War and to remove the vile dictator Assad, we wouldn't be having a major section of this massive refugee crisis.

    You can keep to yourselves and save money, but the consequences of neglecting the international stage and international problems always affects us - at which time its too late to solve it.
    So you wanted us to overthrow Assad.. like we did with Gaddafi? Like we did with Sadam? How did that work out?

    The rest of your post is baloney of course
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    (Original post by IslamistheTruth)
    Average Liberal
    Inexperienced, childish, Naïve, wishful thinking, living in fairy land. Good intentions but lacks vision.

    Average Conservative
    Someone who has experienced the world and understands it isn't Disney World . Proposes realistic solutions.

    Conservatives are the parents in our society. They are those who have think about the harsh truths in life, and at the end of the day, they are the one's who keep our society functiononing.
    Realistic solutions? come on, you're embarrassing yourself. Im sure the NHS is happy with the realistic solutions Cameron implemented. Or the solution of kicking out all migrants when its illegal to do so.
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    (Original post by lolatmaths)
    Realistic solutions? come on, you're embarrassing yourself. Im sure the NHS is happy with the realistic solutions Cameron implemented. Or the solution of kicking out all migrants when its illegal to do so.
    Note the word "average".
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    (Original post by IslamistheTruth)
    Average Liberal
    Inexperienced, childish, Naïve, wishful thinking, living in fairy land. Good intentions but lacks vision.

    Average Conservative
    Someone who has experienced the world and understands it isn't Disney World . Proposes realistic solutions.

    Conservatives are the parents in our society. They are those who have think about the harsh truths in life, and at the end of the day, they are the one's who keep our society functiononing.
    Conservatives experience perpetuated selfishness and then continue to perpetuate it out of bitterness.

    See, it hurts to generalise.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Why is it always a liberal vs conservative thing?

    Pretty sure communism, for example, is neither
    I don't think ones politics determine how rude and nasty they are, but perhaps as a rule of thumb you'll find members of communism to display distrust towards the upper classes and those of conservatism to display distrust towards the lower classes.

    I think however, in the case of communism, this does often border on hatred, whereas I have scarcely seen the attitude the other way round.
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    (Original post by sainsburys wraps)
    Generally, there will always be exceptions. But when it comes to liberalism and conservatism - liberalism is fundamentally a better ideology.

    Where we work together with other countries or other groups of society to actively improve the world, where we reach out and help those of us who are suffering, rather than sticking to ourselves and pretending that half of the world's problems won't eventually affect us.
    I agree, liberals are generally more empathetic and less bigoted. There are some who get things wrong but it usually isn't out of hatred and spite towards people for being what they perceive to be different, like it is in the case of the right-wing.
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    (Original post by IslamistheTruth)
    Note the word "average".
    You're generalising. This is your own silly perception and isnt vaguely realistic. And your perception will obviously be skewed to support your own agenda when you're actually making yourself look like a self righteous prick.
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    (Original post by sainsburys wraps)
    Generally, there will always be exceptions. But when it comes to liberalism and conservatism - liberalism is fundamentally a better ideology.

    Where we work together with other countries or other groups of society to actively improve the world, where we reach out and help those of us who are suffering, rather than sticking to ourselves and pretending that half of the world's problems won't eventually affect us.
    Obviously you're referring to the EU.

    What if I told you that it isn't that conservatives don't want to work with other countries, but that we are not convinced that the EU's true intentions are to improve the world or help suffering? Some people take a bit more than just screaming "fight fascism!" in their face to convince.
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    (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
    Who is doing the reaching out? You see if you want to help people.. it costs money. The UK has over 1.5 trillion pounds worth of debt. Who do you think will pay for "your" virtuous shows of generosity?

    The future generations, OTHER PEOPLE who get no say

    I am better than you because i took your wallet out your pocket and gave a homeless guy £20 and bought a sad looking teenager a Costa using your card
    This, it inevitably leads to communism, state owned people instead of a state owned by the people it represents.

    This is before bringing up the issues that it is, currently, helping those that would call for an end to liberalism, the majority are acting as apologists for theocracy and violent religion with the #notallmuslims nonsense.

    They don't seem to realize that calling for tolerance of the intolerant is simply absurd.

    I consider myself liberal, but nowadays calling yourself a liberal is like calling yourself a flat earther or a young earth creationist, the position has been hijacked and warped. It's not calling for equality anymore.
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    (Original post by HanSoloLuck)
    This, it inevitably leads to communism, state owned people instead of a state owned by the people it represents.

    This is before bringing up the issues that it is, currently, helping those that would call for an end to liberalism, the majority are acting as apologists for theocracy and violent religion with the #notallmuslims nonsense.

    They don't seem to realize that calling for tolerance of the intolerant is simply absurd.

    I consider myself liberal, but nowadays calling yourself a liberal is like calling yourself a flat earther or a young earth creationist, the position has been hijacked and warped. It's not calling for equality anymore.
    PRSOM. Yep, there is no honour in being generous with other people's money. Dinesh D'souza wonderfully illustrates this point and puts a liberal in his place in the following video. From 11:00 is the punchline.

 
 
 
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