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I'd rather cure them. Do you extend this offer of greater understanding to all criminals ? Or am i being a tad too realistic ?
Of course if its possible we should attempt to cure all criminals of whatever causes them to be as they are. This is not realistic of course, nor is the scenario for paedophiles in my previous post. It is just an ideal.
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That's right. To what extent should the internet be policed to prevent pedophiles gainig access to child pornography?

More's to the point, if by some wonder it was possible to completely abolish child pornography on the net might this not have an adverse effect? Would not more pedophiles who latterly were content to net surf now have to explore alternative avenues. Would a ban turn the fantasists into predatory sex offenders?

However vile I personally find it (very) I do wonder if child pornography might be a better of two evils insofar as it may prevent more active pedophiles hitting the street.
Then you get into the catch 22 situation. On one hand you have child pornography on the net abolished, so people who would have otherwise stumbled across it and found they liked it would not.
On the other you have the fact that all those deprived of such material might resort to actually abusing themselves.
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However vile I personally find it (very) I do wonder if child pornography might be a better of two evils insofar as it may prevent more active pedophiles hitting the street.
This is something ive also considered. On the other had, do you think providing your average teen boy with as much pornography as they wish will prevent them from trying to get the real thing?
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Then you get into the catch 22 situation. On one hand you have child pornography on the net abolished, so people who would have otherwise stumbled across it and found they liked it would not.
Fair point, but I would hope that it's not easy to 'stumble' across it. Although, that's probably wrong knowing the internet.

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On the other you have the fact that all those deprived of such material might resort to actually abusing themselves.
Best case scenario..
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Very good point, can't say I'd given that any thought before. Other 'outlets' don't bare thinking about.
Well, it's a horrible thought; not completely clamping down on internet child porn in the belief that this might keep the majority of dirty old men in macks at home.

However, I've always argued the same as applied to prostitition (legalized prostitution = less rape) so I suppose the same logic might follow here.

There are of course obvious differences though. Prostitutes have a choice. The child stars of porno movies do not.

Perhaps my idea is crap therefore. Perhaps appeasement is not what is required. Perhaps we should just cut off their goolies?
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This is something ive also considered. On the other had, do you think providing your average teen boy with as much pornography as they wish will prevent them from trying to get the real thing?
Ah, but the average teen boy knows that the real thing is *easily* obtainable and (for the most part) legal!
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Of course if its possible we should attempt to cure all criminals of whatever causes them to be as they are. This is not realistic of course, nor is the scenario for paedophiles in my previous post. It is just an ideal.
Well then, without wishing to be rude, i'm not sure the victims or victim' parents (assuming they aren't an abuser) will want to here about ideals. I'm trying to think of practical measures here, and all i can come up with is abuse is abuse. get them help. get them jailed.

Maybe i'm being to hardline and damning ?
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Perhaps my idea is crap therefore. Perhaps appeasement is not what is required. Perhaps we should just cut off their goolies?
I think thats the simplest solution tbh.
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This is something ive also considered. On the other had, do you think providing your average teen boy with as much pornography as they wish will prevent them from trying to get the real thing?
Probably not! (It never stopped me trying to get my leg over despite having a massive pile of jazz mags under my bed as a boy!)
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Perhaps we should just cut off their goolies?
Unfortunately there is still this rather annoying, somewhat sexual organ, the brain.
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I think thats the simplest solution tbh.
Hands up for Howard's "off with the goolies" solution then........
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Perhaps my idea is crap therefore. Perhaps appeasement is not what is required. Perhaps we should just cut off their goolies?
If you read a few pages back there's arguments for and against "cutting off thier goolies" but the thing that sticks out for me is that paedophiles abuse for reasons other than sexual excitement. So castration only adresses one symptom, and of course, its entirely unethical.
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Well then, without wishing to be rude, i'm not sure the victims or victim' parents (assuming they aren't an abuser) will want to here about ideals. I'm trying to think of practical measures here, and all i can come up with is abuse is abuse. get them help. get them jailed.

Maybe i'm being to hardline and damning ?
Look, how many times do i have to say it, i am NOT advocating more lenient sentences or laws against criminals of whatever category, i am MERELY saying that a greater understanding of the cause would possibly help in cutting down the root cause of crime and cut down on re-offending. I dont see why the parents of any victim would care, as the perpetrator would be on the recieving end of EXACTLY the same sentence as he would have been under the current system.
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One thing that has always been a problem is the fact that other countries have a lower age of consent, like chili, which is 12, so you might have sex tourists going there with the single purpose having sex with children.
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Maybe i'm being to hardline and damning ?
heh, you make me look like margaret thatcher
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Hands up for Howard's "off with the goolies" solution then........
Aye.
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Hands up for Howard's "off with the goolies" solution then........
No! You'd have to have the brain out as well! Is that a compromise?
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Unfortunately there is still this rather annoying, somewhat sexual organ, the brain.
I've never heard of anyone being "head ****ed" before. (Fist ****ed maybe, but never have I heard of an instance where someone has used their head!)

Seriously though, I think that once one's balls are no longer swinging freely between one's legs, the urge for sex is about the same urge you might get to shag your granny........not very strong!)
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No! You'd have to have the brain out as well! Is that a compromise?
I thought we were trying to find a way of treating them rather than just using these forms of punishment.
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One thing that has always been a problem is the fact that other countries have a lower age of consent, like chili, which is 12, so you might have sex tourists going there with the single purpose having sex with children.
That's a matter for those countries to legislate for.
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