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Seriously though, I think that once one's balls are no longer swinging freely between one's legs, the urge for sex is about the same urge you might get to shag your granny........not very strong!)
Indeed. The brain may be something of an erogenous zone, but i think this is only in conjunction with a fully working johnson.
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That's a matter for those countries to legislate for.
I am aware of that, but I am advocating treatment rather than simple punishment.
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I thought we were trying to find a way of treating them rather than just using these forms of punishment.
Were deciding on whether or not castration is the simplest and most applicable method of control.
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Indeed. The brain may be something of an erogenous zone, but i think this is only in conjunction with a fully working johnson.
So, what are you suggesting, lobotamising all paedophiles?
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One thing that has always been a problem is the fact that other countries have a lower age of consent, like chili, which is 12, so you might have sex tourists going there with the single purpose having sex with children.
I also recall reading somewhere that child pornography was until fairly recently ( a decade or two) legal in Japan as the only law they had regarding pornography (or perhaps it was indecency) was, rather strangely, that no pubic hairs may be displayed?! and that this was only changed after american pressure.
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I've never heard of anyone being "head ****ed" before. (Fist ****ed maybe, but never have I heard of an instance where someone has used their head!)

Seriously though, I think that once one's balls are no longer swinging freely between one's legs, the urge for sex is about the same urge you might get to shag your granny........not very strong!)
- You need to go to Glastonbury!

And yes, but the 'sex' element is only one factor, there is an immense 'power' element and feeling of superiority the predator can get from his prey which can not be removed by chemical castration.

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I thought we were trying to find a way of treating them rather...
Unfortunately I doubt we are on the verge of a medical breakroom in D&D forum.
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So, what are you suggesting, lobotamising all paedophiles?
Not at all, notice - 'only in conjunction with a fully working johnson'.
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I thought we were trying to find a way of treating them rather than just using these forms of punishment.
Chemical castration would treat them. Remove the testerone producing function that sends signals (the urges) to the brain and they are treated.

I don't know of any other treatment for active and repetitive predatory offenders. I'm sure there may be some but I should imagine from a cost-value point of view it would be political suicide for any administration to suggest spending the sort of money required on lengthy and largely unproven psychotherapy.
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castration wouldn't work.

i also realise that an Siarach is trying to show greater empathy to people so that they can be cured. Its an ideal, a lovely one, but whilst you go and formulate a way to cure them long term, i'll stick with what we've got and punish them hard.
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(Original post by an Siarach)
I also recall reading somewhere that child pornography was until fairly recently ( a decade or two) legal in Japan as the only law they had regarding pornography (or perhaps it was indecency) was, rather strangely, that no pubic hairs may be displayed?! and that this was only changed after american pressure.
child pornography is illegal, but lolicon hentai is not, which is a very japanese invention.
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castration wouldn't work.

i also realise that an Siarach is trying to show greater empathy to people so that they can be cured. Its an ideal, a lovely one, but whilst you go and formulate a way to cure them long term, i'll stick with what we've got and punish them hard.

!!!!!!!!!!!11!! Ive stated that i would punish them just as harshly as they currently are if not MORE so, just that i would do this while also attempting to treat them.
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- You need to go to Glastonbury!

And yes, but the 'sex' element is only one factor, there is an immense 'power' element and feeling of superiority the predator can get from his prey which can not be removed by chemical castration.



Unfortunately I doubt we are on the verge of a medical breakroom in D&D forum.
Yes. I never did go to Glastonbury. Too much of an old fart now!

Yes, there is a power element too. Good point. Sex and power makes for a heady combination. Tricky.
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!!!!!!!!!!!11!! Ive stated that i would punish them just as harshly as they currently are if not MORE so, just that i would do this while also attempting to treat them.
I am not saying we should have treatment and nothing else, rather we treat while we incarsirate (sp).
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Statistics also show that the castration doesn't always work.

"A 1992 study published in the Bulletin of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law found that of 40 chemically castrated sex offenders, 18 percent molested while taking the injections and 35 percent molested after the injections ceased. Among men who had not been castrated, 58 percent molested again."

Chemical castration, it seems, can affect the means of molesters, but not always their desire. The problem is in the thinking of the sex offender, not always in his penis!
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child pornography is illegal, but lolicon hentai is not, which is a very japanese invention.
I know it is now, and i know what hentai is (urotsukidoji anyone?). I am fairly sure i read that it was once legal there (not deliberately in itself, merely because of the aforementioned technicality of the strange pubic law)
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Chemical castration would treat them. Remove the testerone producing function that sends signals (the urges) to the brain and they are treated.

I don't know of any other treatment for active and repetitive predatory offenders. I'm sure there may be some but I should imagine from a cost-value point of view it would be political suicide for any administration to suggest spending the sort of money required on lengthy and largely unproven psychotherapy.
As we have mentioned howard, castration deals with the sexual element, not the power element, feeling of helping the victim mature etc etc elements of paedophilia.

And surely we shouldn't put evrything down to costs. If it makes kids safer i'm all for it. altho i'd agree that politicians would think cost first (financial) and benefit later.
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!!!!!!!!!!!11!! Ive stated that i would punish them just as harshly as they currently are if not MORE so, just that i would do this while also attempting to treat them.
well then i've missunderstood, but my priority is the safety of the kids, and i don't really care about the abusers as long as they get basic rights. so if they wud get punished just the same either way, why try and cure them ? Why not try and put them in an institute like Broadwood ?
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I know it is now, and i know what hentai is (urotsukidoji anyone?). I am fairly sure i read that it was once legal there (not deliberately in itself, merely because of the aforementioned technicality of the strange pubic law)
I keep saying that lolicon hentai has been shown to reduce the number of preditory paedophiles, and should be unrestricted somewhat, as no children are hurt or abused in the making and anything can be drawn, so it is in no way limited.
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As we have mentioned howard, castration deals with the sexual element, not the power element, feeling of helping the victim mature etc etc elements of paedophilia.

And surely we shouldn't put evrything down to costs. If it makes kids safer i'm all for it. altho i'd agree that politicians would think cost first (financial) and benefit later.
I take the "power" point and concede that it hadn't occured fully too me, hence my focus on the "sex" end of the equation.

As far as cost is concerned one needs to bear in mind the public taste for spending vast amounts of money on unproven treatments. The majority of the public want these people banged up. They're not interested in curing these people just so long as they're out of the way.

All, I'm saying is it would be a brave Minister to announce that from now on convicted pedophiles are to be lavished expensive therapy which might cure them before finally being released into the community.
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well then i've missunderstood, but my priority is the safety of the kids, and i don't really care about the abusers as long as they get basic rights. so if they wud get punished just the same either way, why try and cure them ? Why not try and put them in an institute like Broadwood ?
We cannot just punish them and not rehabilitate them, otherwise they would just reoffend no doubt.
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