Bremainers: how are you going to reform the EU?

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Jammy Duel
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I often hear from those in favour or remaining in the EU that we should do it so we can reform the EU to operate the way we want it to, something that cannot be done outside the EU. Of course, this overlooks the history of our relationship with the EU, a history of failed reforms even before we joined. If we need any more proof that we cannot reform the institution from within we need look no further than Cameron's so called "renegotiation", a renegotiations that can be summed up as "I didn't have to give anything away." If with the threat of leaving we cannot get any meaningful concessions or reforms then how are we going to do it when we are locked in for a generation and come the next opportunity to leave it won't be leaving a political union, it will be a secession from a state?
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Vote in MEPs and MPs depending on what reforms you want.
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Vote in MEPs and MPs depending on what reforms you want.
And rely on enough of the other member states to vote according to the same reforms?
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And rely on enough of the other member states to vote according to the same reforms?
So you are a revolutionary?
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So you are a revolutionary?
No, but I hear voices on the remain side constantly arguing that we have more influence to reform the EU inside than out, which is almost certainly true, but then then fail to explain how it is that we will suddenly have so much influence to actually do what we have failed to do for the last half century, all the while the voices against us growing.
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haven't we had enough of your anti-Eu views already? we get it, the EU isn't perfect, but its better than going solo
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haven't we had enough of your anti-Eu views already? we get it, the EU isn't perfect, but its better than going solo
It's only something at the centre of the argument for many people. Brexiters get shot down for the honest "nobody has a clue" economic answer, funnily nobody challenges the reform argument, possibly because it is known to be a load of tosh.

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And rely on enough of the other member states to vote according to the same reforms?
Yep, just like we do in the UK with other constituencies.
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It's only something at the centre of the argument for many people. Brexiters get shot down for the honest "nobody has a clue" economic answer, funnily nobody challenges the reform argument, possibly because it is known to be a load of tosh.

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I'm yet to see a single remainer actually say they are going to reform the EU, but then again I don't spent the majority of my days relentlessly trying to force my political views on students on an online forum
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Bremainers ?

Call them Remainians please
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How short the memories are viva europa

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I'm yet to see a single remainer actually say they are going to reform the EU, but then again I don't spent the majority of my days relentlessly trying to force my political views on students on an online forum
No you spend your days incompetently opposing them

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No you spend your days incompetently opposing them

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some of you people get really sour when it comes to politics on the student room, lmao
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some of you people get really sour when it comes to politics on the student room, lmao
Hey you give strong criticism prepare to be smited down with strong opinions xoxo
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What I'd like would be to see the removal of the CAP. However, realistically, I do close to no actual campaigning so all I'll do will be to argue the point on the internet.
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Hey you give strong criticism prepare to be smited down with strong opinions xoxo
smited and strong are rather ambitious words for your perpetual anti-islam / anti-EU rants
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smited and strong are rather ambitious words for your perpetual anti-islam / anti-EU rants
What can i say, your wonderful articulation and debating and reasoning skills have pushed the standards higher
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Personally, I think the only way to solve our problems is for the UK government to get itself in gear. Immigration isn't the issue on its own and leaving or remaining in the EU won't change much positively either way.
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What can i say, your wonderful articulation and debating and reasoning skills have pushed the standards higher
spamming a wall of text with some big words doesn't make your reasoning skills good
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spamming a wall of text with some big words doesn't make your reasoning skills good
It only looks like spam to the illiterate

Which banned account were you previously me ol chap?
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