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    Everyone said to me on my other threads... "Fred think longer term". So this is me thinking longer term.

    Cameron has got us out of the "Ever Closer Union" clause and we will promise to be nice to those that want union.

    This means eventually the EURO currency countries will become a United States of Europe, and because we are still in the mix, we will be Puerto Rico (a member of the USA of Europe but not able to vote for presidents etc etc - a sort of Cameron YES position).

    Why would it long term be in our interests to be a Puerto Rico and not a Canada (who definitely were in the "NO" camp when it came to forming the USA).

    What is the point of being Puerto Rico, isn't that in some ways the worst of both worlds?
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    No one cares. We're going to stay, anyway.
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    (Original post by serions871)
    No one cares. We're going to stay, anyway.
    Yes actually is worse than that, I believe we'll end up as "Puerto Rico" whether we vote YES or NO - all roads lead us to being an Adjunct to the EU and not EU proper.

    We have been done out of the THIRD OPTION which is "DO YOU WANT TO BE A FULL MEMBER OF THE EU"...

    WE HAVE HAD OUR VOTE STOLEN BY CAMERON.
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    Good analogy
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    (Original post by ODES_PDES)
    Good analogy
    Yes but sadly we cannot vote to be a member of the USA of Europe, its not an option that appeals to Tory voters so we were not given that choice.

    The only two options we have been given are Tory options.
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    Puerto Rico is a non-entity, whereas we are a serious military and economic force. It's not because we stay in the EU that we'll suddenly become Puerto Rico. And it's not because we leave that we would end up like Canada. The analogy is worthless.

    The obvious advantages to staying in, without becoming a part of the EU superstate, are the continued market access and freedom to provide services in Europe, which is central to our economic success, particularly with regards to the City of London.

    All the while we would not be joining the euro, and so would still have full monetary autonomy through the bank of England. We would also retain our national identity, as opposed to becoming a fiefdom of the EU, for which there is no great popular appetite.

    It is, if you'll forgive the cliché, the best of both worlds. We would still retain unparalleled access to the largest market in the world, while retaining our national identity and autonomy.
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    (Original post by tengentoppa)
    Puerto Rico is a non-entity.
    you are looking at it all wrong . I did not pick the countries for economic reasons but only because they are the two options give to us.

    The THIRD option, of being a FULL member has been stolen from us by the Tory referendum. Both the YES and NO options are Tory options. The liberal option of FULL membership has been removed by our masters.
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    you are looking at it all wrong . I did not pick the countries for economic reasons but only because they are the two options give to us.

    The THIRD option, of being a FULL member has been stolen from us by the Tory referendum. Both the YES and NO options are Tory options. The liberal option of FULL membership has been removed by our masters.
    There is no popular demand for the UK to be part of an EU superstate, none whatsoever.

    It would be like having a referendum on banning alcohol. Sure you could do it, but it would be pointless since there is obviously no desire to see it happen.

    If the UK ever gets to the point where a majority of people want to be part of an EU superstate, then our democratically elected representatives will reflect that.
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    (Original post by tengentoppa)
    There is no popular demand for the UK to be part of an EU superstate, none whatsoever.

    It would be like having a referendum on banning alcohol. Sure you could do it, but it would be pointless since there is obviously no desire to see it happen.

    If the UK ever gets to the point where a majority of people want to be part of an EU superstate, then our democratically elected representatives will reflect that.
    Early days - I've set up a poll just to see what would have happened.
 
 
 
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