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    All quotes taken from http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/, the official website for the Vote Leave campaign.

    The UK's official EU budget is about £350 million a week. That’s about the same as the cost of building a new NHS hospital every week. We get less than half of this money back, and we have no control over how it’s spent – that’s decided by politicians and officials in Brussels, not the people we elect here.
    FALSE. The UK contributes £350 million a week to the EU, but we receive back £97 million directly, as a rebate, which we can spend however we choose. We then receive back another £4.5 billion a year in EU spending. So we actually give the EU about £166 million a week. We receive back more than half of what we give, and most of it we get to spend however we want.

    We cannot stop criminals entering Britain from Europe while job creators from non-European countries are blocked.
    FALSE. The EU citizenship directive 2004 clearly states that free movement in the EU is not an unqualified right, and a country can deny people entry on grounds of "public policy, public security or public health". So no, the EU itself has explicitly stated that we can deny entry to criminals.

    The EU is in charge of our borders, immigration, asylum, and even our intelligence services.
    What the ****? Where did this even come from? FALSE. The Schengen agreement between EU countries abolishes some internal borders, allowing passport-free movement between member states. So yes, we'd have no control over our borders... except for the fact that THE UK IS NOT A PART OF THE SCHENGEN FREE MOVEMENT ZONE. We already have full control of our borders.

    The UK has agreed to some aspects of the Schengen agreement, such as the Schengen Information Systems. This is an agreement which allows European intelligence agencies to cooperate by sharing law enforcement data, such as information on stolen cars, missing people, and dangerous criminals. In no way whatsoever does this allow the EU to control our intelligence agencies.

    The Government’s deal doesn’t solve the benefits problem. The only way to take control is to Vote Leave.
    Benefits problem? FALSE. The "benefits problem" doesn't exist. EU immigrants are 43% less likely to claim benefits than British people, and contribute 64% more in taxes than they take in benefits (while British natives are the ONLY group that takes more in welfare than it contributes in taxes). The "benefits problem" doesn't exist, and it never has. It's entirely made up.

    You don’t have to be a member of the EU to trade with it. Countries across the world trade with the EU without being members of the EU. Switzerland is not in the EU and exports even more to the EU than we do.
    FALSE. Switzerland, while not a full member of the EU, must allow free migration from the EU, abide by all EU laws and regulations, and they pay into the EU budget. However, since they aren't full members, they get no say in making the laws and allocating the budget. Every country that has a trade agreement with the EU has a similar deal: everything the Leave campaign is telling us we want to get rid of.

    That's just a handful of the blatant lies being spread by this campaign. Maybe we need to ask the question: If leaving is the right choice, why do Vote Leave need to tell us so many lies?
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    Some more, not from the website but commonly spouted by Leave lemmings:

    The EU is undemocratic
    No, it's really not. Only the European Commission can propose new legislation, but Members of European Parliament (MEPs) decide whether to pass or reject that legislation. About 10% of MEPs represent the UK. We have more MEPs than every country except Germany and France, making us one of the most powerful members of the EU.

    I'd say that's a hell of a lot more democratic than a monarchy, where all legislation must go through an unelected House of Lords. (HINT: That's the UK.)

    Turkey is joining the EU.
    I saw a picture of a billboard ad saying this, from the champions of truth, Vote Leave. Except... no it's not? I don't even understand this one, because it's just not true, and it has no basis in reality whatsoever. Turkey simply is not joining the EU. And if it were ever to join, the UK alone could stop that from happening.

    The EU threatens the NHS
    This is a really funny one, because the truth is actually the opposite. The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, TTIP, could make it harder to make the NHS public again if it gets privatised. The EU is negotiating new terms specifically for this - to protect public services from privatisation. The irony is that we'll be joining TTIP whether we're in the EU or not - our government has already started privatising the NHS, they've shown they're willing to harm public services for short-term profit, and the Vote Leave campaign themselves have said they want to make trade deals with other countries (which is what TTIP is). The only difference is that the EU has the negotiating power to protect our public services, while the UK on its own won't.

    That said, I don't really understand why anyone even believes this one. Do people honestly think that Boris Johnson and Iain Duncan Smith are looking to protect the NHS? Get real.

    David Cameron said "Europe will go to war if we leave"
    They're now resorting to fabricating quotes to try to make the Remain campaign look stupid. David Cameron literally just didn't say that. He said "Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured?", which is entirely different. I actually find it quite scary how easily people will believe things, and how blatantly corrupt the media are when they're reporting quotes from our Prime Minister that he never actually said.
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    If Vote Remain is the right choice, why so many lies?

    Like Cameron's ludicrous "Europe will go to war if we leave", blatantly misleading people about the economist opinion due to the fact whenever they mention the percentage of economists who supported remain they completely fail to mention that they asked 15,000 economists in the UK their opinions and only 600 bothered to reply which tells me they have little opinion either way since the economical fallout will be nowhere near as bad as Remain are claiming.

    The newest lie from the Remain camp comes from a claim that "Brexit would be disastrous for British farm animals" which flat out ignores the fact that it was the EU who blocked British legislation banning the export of live animals, it was Britain who pushed for most of the EU's animal rights and animal welfare legislation... must of which is ignored by many EU countries and it is the EU who allows the barbaric practice of bull fighting to continue.
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    Both sides have there liers ii's not like 1 side has not lied so why do both sides lie?

    They just want more and more support by blasting out big claims.
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    (Original post by TaipeiGhost)
    If Vote Remain is the right choice, why so many lies?

    Like Cameron's ludicrous "Europe will go to war if we leave"
    Well, first of all, David Cameron has never actually said that, so thanks for pointing out another Vote Leave lie - I'll add that to the OP.

    He said "Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured?" which is really not even close to "Europe will go to war if we leave". Once again, the Murdoch media (you do understand that Rupert Murdoch himself, who owns most of the newspapers in the country, has said that he wants to leave the EU because he can control our government but he can't control the EU?) has taken something out of context. Or, well, they pretty much made it up, because it's so damn different to what he said - and the lemmings didn't bother to check their facts, so it's circulated and become common knowledge. Like a **** game of Chinese whispers that dictates the future of our entire country.

    blatantly misleading people about the economist opinion due to the fact whenever they mention the percentage of economists who supported remain they completely fail to mention that they asked 15,000 economists in the UK their opinions and only 600 bothered to reply which tells me they have little opinion either way since the economical fallout will be nowhere near as bad as Remain are claiming.

    How is that misleading? Most surveys that get conducted only have a minority of people respond to them. If you thought that 100% of people surveyed responded, that's your fault for thinking something so ridiculous. It's not misleading at all, because most reasonable people understand that if you survey 15,000 people, most of them aren't going to reply. That's literally every survey ever. Are you going to start criticising every survey you hear about because it's misleading? Another total non-issue that's been turned by the media into something sinister.

    But I find it really funny that you've decided that everyone who didn't respond obviously agrees with you. That's just not how this works.

    You've also completely ignored the fact that prominent economists and economic organisations have already been stating that exiting the EU would leave us worse-off. The OECD, the IMF, LSE. I've got better things to do than list every economic think-tank on the planet, so that's just a little sample.

    The newest lie from the Remain camp comes from a claim that "Brexit would be disastrous for British farm animals" which flat out ignores the fact that it was the EU who blocked British legislation banning the export of live animals, it was Britain who pushed for most of the EU's animal rights and animal welfare legislation... must of which is ignored by many EU countries and it is the EU who allows the barbaric practice of bull fighting to continue.
    While the UK was one of the earliest proponents of animal rights, banning the beating of livestock in 1822 (if only we were still so progressive...) we've been lagging recently. It was the EU that brought in welfare laws for pigs and chickens. The EU banned barren cages for battery hens in 2012, and sow stalls for pigs in 2013. Both practices were identified in 1975, but we didn't ban them until the EU forced us to. Meanwhile our own government is seeking to repeal animal welfare regulations.

    So that's not a lie either. Try again.
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    the bookmakers are showing a massive STAY IN preference:

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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    Well, first of all, David Cameron has never actually said that, so thanks for pointing out another Vote Leave lie - I'll add that to the OP.

    He said "Can we be so sure peace and stability on our continent are assured?" which is really not even close to "Europe will go to war if we leave"..
    The difference is a) war is becomes a real risk to b) war will occur. Either way, it sounds like scaremongering.

    In terms of border control, presumably the concern extends to the right for people in the EU, or selected EEA countries, to work in the UK? In that sense, the ability to select for say highly skilled roles, is limited.

    In terms of democratic rights, obviously being part of the EU dilutes the democratic authority of the average voter. I think that is why the Leave camp has attracted considerable support - people aren't stupid, they can see the appeal of having greater independence.

    Nonetheless, I suspect that Remain will prevail.
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    Please remember all the lies you've been told when you go to vote today.
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    You want honest facts?! Ok.

    'Why do Leave voters think they know better than experts?

    Because these 'experts' were wrong about the Gold standard, they were wrong about the single market when the intention all along was ever closer political union and they were wrong about the Euro.

    They were wrong then and they are wrong now!


    If UK leaves the EU, EU will collapse. Cos UK is essentially financing the entire EU with the strong £ against the failed €. Do you recall the George Osbourne tax rebate fiasco from 2 years ago? EU slapped a £1.7 billion on UK but Cameron vowed that he would not pay it. What happened in the end? UK still paid up and did so quietly.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29751124
    http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-e...u-budget-bill/
    http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-e...n-budget-bill/
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ember-deadline
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...happening.html

    Yesterday, the German finance minister said he would cry if UK voted Brexit. Of course he would! Cos UK is the one funding the EU and Germany gets to dictate who gets the money and what to do with it.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-EU-referendum
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...718_story.html
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a6909616.html

    Please understand that Germany controls the EU and dictates to the other member states when to stand up and when to sit down. France is her close ally despite their colourful history.

    If UK leaves, then the other poorer member states would want to follow suit. Do you recall last year when EU forced Greece to accept a humongous financial bailout which EU knew Greece would never be able to repay back cos the interests were just too high? and the greek banks allowed its citizens to withdraw only €120 per week? When this news first broke out in Greece, its citizens queued up outside the bank to withdraw their monies but the banks were shut. Do you recall this man who cried outside the bank and this image went viral?
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ing-man-banks/




    If UK leaves then many EU citizens working in the UK and living off benefits will have to return back to their home countries. These EU citizens based in UK, don't want this to happen because UK is the only country in EU that offers such amazing benefits.

    Many of the lecturers in the UK unis are also against Brexit because if UK pulls out of it then these lecturers will have to return back to their home countries and re-apply via a work permit system. So far nothing unusual? The catch here is that these lecturers of EU origin will have to compete for lecturing jobs with equally abled or far better lecturers from New Zealand, Canada, Australia, India, Hong Kong and Singapore. This is the reason why many lecturers have been writing articles and blogs online to plead with UK citizens to vote in their favour. How selfish!

    If you have studied politics at A-level or at uni, depending on who your lecturer is and which textbook you're reading, you will know that ever since UK joined the EU, she has given away her sovereignty to the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and Luxembourg. I can't help but wonder why UK still needs a Supreme Court when its no longer supreme and a British parliament when it's no longer sovereign?

    Do you know that millions of British soldiers have died in several wars over the centuries to protect Queen and country? But Tony Blair let these millions of soldier died in vain because when he was in power for 10 years or so as the Prime Minister of UK, he allowed virtually everyone to enter the UK
    • without checking if they are holding genuine passports
    • without checking if they have links to terrorist groups
    • without checking if they have criminal records in their home countries
    • without checking if they have genuine educational qualifications or a trade skill
    • without checking if they have HIV/AIDS
    Someone recently asked me why should people wanting to enter into another country, be checked for HIV/AIDS? This is because the government owes a duty to its citizens to protect them from people who may want to infect others with their communicable diseases. This is an extension of a 'social contract theory'. Read up on it if you have time. Educate yourself.

    I'm German. As you know, many migrant men raped, molested and sexually abused many women in my country since New Year's Day.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ks-list-crimes
    http://www.news.com.au/finance/econo...d65045e65e141d

    This is the list of sex crimes against German women in one night. I hope you have a strong stomach for this.
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...-sex-assaults/

    You only have to see what the German police commissioner said on national TV to understand the true extent of the migrant crisis. Mind you, the higher command in Germany gave him a piece of their mind following the telecast of this interview. Watch it to believe it.



    You may have read or heard, many of these migrants have turned my country upside down. I hope all of you reading my post, bears this in mind. A country's sovereignty, security and safety of its citizens is so important. With Merkel's blunder, we have become a carbon copy of UK & the rest of EU and their set of problems.

    Merkel has been in hiding for many months now. She's pushing 62 years of age. She won't throw in the towel just yet. If UK decides to remain in the EU, I am certain they will make EU into a united states of Europe and she would be the major contender for the post of PM of the USE. Tony Blair has quietened down way too much to be able to stake a claim for that coveted position.

    Merkel studied physics and then chemistry. She has no knowledge and understanding about politics, law, finance and sociology. She tells the German public one thing and tells the EU another thing and then tells the world another thing. Sometime back she said that refugees must now return back to their countries of origin after the wars back home have ended.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...-idUSKCN0V80IH

    With Turkey's inclusion into the EU imminent, there will be 77 million Turks who will get to make their debut appearance in any of the EU member states. They will not go to France because France has zero tolerance towards Muslims. They will continue to come to Germany or go to the UK where the borders are invincible and where the border agents have zero powers to turn people away.


    And if you go onto the Oxbridge threads on this forum and some of the other top UK unis, you will see a growing number of EU students who simply want UK to stay in the EU so that they can apply for student loans because without it they will not be able to study in these top unis. Their main priority is to get the funding and get a place at these tops unis.

    So you must be wondering whats wrong with that? Well, a growing number of EU students simply take these loans, one after another and then disappear after they've completed their studies without repaying the loans and the British government has to write off these debts. It's been reported several times and it's about time UK puts her foot down.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672...g-tuition-fees
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...ing-loans.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...pay-debts.html

    The money you send to EU can be used to invest in your NHS, build more hospitals, recruit more police officers, increase their salaries which should apply to teachers and junior doctors too, give incentives (funding, tax breaks) to British citizens to start their own businesses (entrepreneurship) and so much more.

    Vote Leave!
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    blah blah blah


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    Should ANY country join or leave the EU, especially those with 50% youth unemployment ?

    And if so, why ? and which country ?

    Think not just of Britain for once.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    Please remember all the lies you've been told when you go to vote today.
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    Naveed-7


    How many times are you going to copy and paste @Audrey18's post?
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    (Original post by LettuceBeReal)
    That's was years ago before Erdogan starting rolling back democracy in Turkey and the migrant crisis and IS were an issue.

    They'll never fulfill the requirements to join anyway.
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    (Original post by JamesN88)
    That's was years ago before Erdogan starting rolling back democracy in Turkey and the migrant crisis and IS were an issue.

    They'll never fulfill the requirements to join anyway.
    Only fools excuse compulsive liars
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    (Original post by LettuceBeReal)
    Only fools excuse compulsive liars
    Only fools ignore changes to reality. Syria was still a tourist destination when he was advocating for it.
 
 
 
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