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    Let's face it. Animal Rights is one of the EU's biggest downfalls.

    This is the same continent spanning power who still allows bullfighting to continue, allows bull running to continue, blocked British legislation banning the export of live animals, has failed to act on the hunting of songbirds in Cyprus and Malta. Allows puppy farms in Cyprus. Has barbaric treatment of pigs in Denmark and Holland in the way that they are reared. Allowed Greenland to import seal fur into the EU. Allows the use of foie gras whilst the UK has banned it.

    The export of live animals for food is disgusting. They are transported in cramped, hot conditions and often to countries that do not have the same animal rights standards as in the UK. Really, we wanted to ban that but the EU stopped us from banning the export of live animals.

    For anyone believing animal rights will be better protected in the EU just look at the treatment of pigs in Denmark and Holland.

    Finland, Germany and Hungary still allow beastiality. We outlawed it in 1290.

    The UK is head and shoulders above the rest of the EU in terms of animal rights. Yet today I read a Guardian article saying it's better for animal rights if we stay?
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    (Original post by TaipeiGhost)
    Let's face it. Animal Rights is one of the EU's biggest downfalls.

    This is the same continent spanning power who still allows bullfighting to continue, allows bull running to continue, blocked British legislation banning the export of live animals, has failed to act on the hunting of songbirds in Cyprus and Malta. Allows puppy farms in Cyprus. Has barbaric treatment of pigs in Denmark and Holland in the way that they are reared. Allowed Greenland to import seal fur into the EU. Allows the use of foie gras whilst the UK has banned it.

    The export of live animals for food is disgusting. They are transported in cramped, hot conditions and often to countries that do not have the same animal rights standards as in the UK. Really, we wanted to ban that but the EU stopped us from banning the export of live animals.

    For anyone believing animal rights will be better protected in the EU just look at the treatment of pigs in Denmark and Holland.

    Finland, Germany and Hungary still allow beastiality. We outlawed it in 1290.

    The UK is head and shoulders above the rest of the EU in terms of animal rights. Yet today I read a Guardian article saying it's better for animal rights if we stay?
    Well, even if we leave we will still be importing animals, perhaps from even worse conditions, from countries such as China. At least in the EU the meat will be more regulated...
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    That's because those things remain under the jurisdiction of the Member States and not the EU itself.
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    OUR GOVERNMENT IS CURRENTLY WORKING TOWARD REPEALING ANIMAL WELFARE LAWS.
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    (Original post by life.of.pablo)
    Well, even if we leave we will still be importing animals, perhaps from even worse conditions, from countries such as China. At least in the EU the meat will be more regulated...

    No we won't. The UK actually tried to ban the export and import of live animals but were stopped by the EU. If we leave the EU we can put a stop to that practice once and for all.
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    (Original post by TaipeiGhost)
    No we won't. The UK actually tried to ban the export and import of live animals but were stopped by the EU. If we leave the EU we can put a stop to that practice once and for all.
    The government hasn't made any recent attempts to ban live transport. You're lying to yourself if you think a Tory government is going to do it while they're already trying to repeal existing animal protections. EU legislation is being used as a convenient excuse, the government have no intention of banning it.
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    And if the EU was so good at protecting Animal Rights they would stop the Torys doing so. The fact they haven't got legislation to stop it shows that the EU is ineffective when it comes to animal rights.

    Compared to Europe, the UK has far higher standards of Animal Rights.

    You only have to google Dutch pig farms or Danish pig farms to see the EUs failings in protecting animal welfare.

    The EU still allows the production of Foie gras where animals are force fed food to fatten them. The UK banned it but the EU has yet to do so.

    For their failings, as least the UK doesn't allow barbaric blood sports such as bullfighting which the EU has yet to outlaw and, seemingly, won't ever outlaw it.

    The EU is terrible when it comes to animal rights. At least once we leave we can ban the export and import of live animals, the way we intended before the EU stopped us.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    The government hasn't made any recent attempts to ban live transport. You're lying to yourself if you think a Tory government is going to do it while they're already trying to repeal existing animal protections. EU legislation is being used as a convenient excuse, the government have no intention of banning it.
    The EU blocked us from banning it. If it wasn't for the EU the export and import of live animals would already be banned in the UK.
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    It's obvious why the EU allows it. Profit.

    From Compassion in World Farming.

    "The EU has developed a ruthless live export trade in which many animals are transported over huge distances and often suffer greatly both during the journey and on arrival at their destination. The EU exports over 3.4 million animals a year – cattle, pigs and sheep – to non-EU countries. Some of the animals are exported for slaughter, others for fattening or breeding. We believe that the EU’s inhumane live export trade must be brought to an urgent end’ "

    By remaining in the EU, Britain lacks the ability to ban the export or import of live animals
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    (Original post by TaipeiGhost)
    And if the EU was so good at protecting Animal Rights they would stop the Torys doing so. The fact they haven't got legislation to stop it shows that the EU is ineffective when it comes to animal rights.Compared to Europe, the UK has far higher standards of Animal Rights.You only have to google Dutch pig farms or Danish pig farms to see the EUs failings in protecting animal welfare.The EU still allows the production of Foie gras where animals are force fed food to fatten them. The UK banned it but the EU has yet to do so.For their failings, as least the UK doesn't allow barbaric blood sports such as bullfighting which the EU has yet to outlaw and, seemingly, won't ever outlaw it.The EU is terrible when it comes to animal rights. At least once we leave we can ban the export and import of live animals, the way we intended before the EU stopped us.
    The EU are stopping the Tories from doing it. You're living in the past. The UK hasn't been this champion of animal rights that you seem to think it is for a long time. It was the EU that banned animal cosmetics testing, they introduced rights for farm animals, they banned sow stalls and barren cages.You're saying this as if the EU has explicitly set out to stop us banning live transport. They haven't. It's an unfortunate side-effect of existing directives that prevents us from doing it. That happens when you have complex legal systems, this sort of stuff happens with British law too. It'll probably be remedied with time, because the EU have always, and especially recently, been very much in favour of giving animals more protection. I don't understand why you'd rather trust our current government, who have clearly stated that they intend to reduce animal welfare protections.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    The government hasn't made any recent attempts to ban live transport. You're lying to yourself if you think a Tory government is going to do it while they're already trying to repeal existing animal protections. EU legislation is being used as a convenient excuse, the government have no intention of banning it.
    You really think the Torys will be in power once the Brexit negotiations are over and we finally leave?

    LOL

    At the next election Labour will win by a landslide. We won't be leaving right away, you know? It will take years of negotiations before we leave at which point Labour will be in charge or, it will be nearing the next elections when a Labour government will be elected.

    The only reason the Torys won the last election was because they promised a referendum.
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    (Original post by TaipeiGhost)
    You really think the Torys will be in power once the Brexit negotiations are over and we finally leave?

    LOL

    At the next election Labour will win by a landslide. We won't be leaving right away, you know? It will take years of negotiations before we leave at which point Labour will be in charge or, it will be nearing the next elections when a Labour government will be elected.

    The only reason the Torys won the last election was because they promised a referendum.
    Why wouldn't the Tories be in power? They're still topping the polls, there's absolutely no indication that they're losing support, and if we do leave, UKIP will fade out of existence and the Tories will have an even stronger majority.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    The EU are stopping the Tories from doing it. You're living in the past. The UK hasn't been this champion of animal rights that you seem to think it is for a long time.
    Nice try, champ.

    But the UK commonly is in the top 5 countries in terms of animal rights.

    http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animal...s-for-animals/

    Here's you can compare the Animal Welfare rating of up to 4 countries.

    http://api.worldanimalprotection.org/compare

    France gets a C, Italy gets a C, Germany gets a B, the UK gets an A.


    And another one putting the UK in the top 4 worldwide along with NZ, Austria and Switzerland.

    http://www.worldpoultry.net/Meat/Art...ting-1661627W/



    To claim that we don't lead the way in terms of animal welfare is ludicrous.
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    (Original post by TaipeiGhost)
    Nice try, champ.

    But the UK commonly is in the top 5 countries in terms of animal rights.

    http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animal...s-for-animals/

    Here's you can compare the Animal Welfare rating of up to 4 countries.

    http://api.worldanimalprotection.org/compare

    France gets a C, Italy gets a C, Germany gets a B, the UK gets an A.

    To claim that we don't lead the way in terms of animal welfare is ludicrous.
    I said recently. Can you even name three pieces of legislation introduced by the UK in the last decade to protect animal welfare? Because I've already named 4 introduced by the EU.

    Our government has explicitly stated that they intend to repeal animal welfare legislation, I really don't understand how you're still insistent that they're going to protect animal rights? The government themselves have very clearly said that they want to repeal animal rights, but you seem to know what they intend to do better than they do.

    Also, maybe worth noting that 3/4 of the countries listed in that first link are following EU regulations...
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    (Original post by TaipeiGhost)
    Nice try, champ.

    But the UK commonly is in the top 5 countries in terms of animal rights.

    http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animal...s-for-animals/

    Here's you can compare the Animal Welfare rating of up to 4 countries.

    http://api.worldanimalprotection.org/compare

    France gets a C, Italy gets a C, Germany gets a B, the UK gets an A.

    To claim that we don't lead the way in terms of animal welfare is ludicrous.
    You should also take a look at the animal protection ranking map.

    http://api.worldanimalprotection.org/

    You'll notice that the only countries ranked higher than D are all EU members, except India, Australia and NZ. Every country ranked A, except NZ, is a member of the EU.
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    Good argument
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    In all honesty Humans are far more important than lesser animals (Yes I know humans are animals) But the point you made is a good one and more people supporting leave is a good thing.
 
 
 
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