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    (Original post by Reaver Daniels)
    This response was just filled with waffle in an attempt to get around arguing my point. Have another go, as it is evident at the moment that you don't wish to debate. I'm waiting...


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    Then ask someone to explain it to you, else you'll be waiting for a long time. Not my problem if you have trouble understanding something.

    The only one not wanting to debate is you, because you got nothing with sense left to say.

    I mean you are so full of ****ing hypocrisy it almost hurts. You come up with some waffle about me being angry for example, and in the next post you dismiss me for using "waffle".

    Like my ****ing God, this is so delicious, seeing someone so arrogant self sabotaging themselves because they are intellectually inferior. Making my morning for sure.

    (Original post by Reaver Daniels)
    Equally it doesn't mean that that is what it is about?Please elaborate on my so-called naive views.*cough* ad hominem *cough*Posted from TSR Mobile


    Again you keep insulting me and yet accuse me of ad hominem. Do you actually not see the irony?

    And :teehee: latin word :teehee: I am so clever :teehee:
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    (Original post by Reaver Daniels)
    Not really? To be wrong I would have have made the point that you were hoping I had made when you spewed out that rubbish about my critical thinking?

    You also haven't dealt with my whole argument. If we abstain from teaching ideologies then history shouldn't be taught either.


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    History is not an ideology...there may be different interpretations, etc. but its essence is not an ideology. It would be up to the government to create an unbiased curriculum.

    And again "that rubbish" - :teehee: ad hominem :teehee:
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    (Original post by Reaver Daniels)
    Hahahaha, I'm actually starting to get the sense that you are just a troll.

    You came on here and attacked my points, used profanity in your responses, and dodged a load of my points because you couldn't answer them?

    'Intellectually inferior' give me a rest. If you don't have anything left to say that actually makes logical sense then I must say good day.


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    I could have said stupid, but intellectually inferior is the nice way of stating this fact.

    And you do that, you hypocrite. Even in the last post of yours that I shall reply to you, you are being hypocritical. You really want to accuse me of not addressing all your points when you haven't addressed all of mine? And instead accused me of "ad hominem" and laughing at me and now calling me a troll?

    This is the part I always love the most. People projecting and turning into hypocrites because they have absolutely no argument left.


    Mmmm delicious. Have a nice life Mr. Agnostic.
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    (Original post by Reaver Daniels)
    Oh sure, because the Soviet Union was a brilliant example of a nation of intellectual atheists that were paragons of virtue. Your authoritarian attitude makes me laugh.


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    Ah the old chestnut of bringing communism in as an example of secular society. Soviet Russia was a political society, the things done by it and it's name were done because of socialism, and not in the name of secularism or atheism.
    If your little dig had any truth to it, societies which are currently well not it's way to being entirely security would be going down that path as well. I can think of a few Scandinavian countries which are now mostly secular, but have not yet resorted to Soviet style brutality. I guess that sort of torpedos that theory then.
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    (Original post by Reaver Daniels)
    You're a bit late to this. We've already been over this a couple times up there ^


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    I saw. It was a poor attempt to make a failed point.
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    In principle, I don't like the idea of faith schools. I believe that outside of Religious Education lessons, religion should be left out of schools.

    That being said however, I feel that a lot of people in this thread have a much more extreme view of what partially state funded faith schools are actually like. For example I am currently at a CoE school for sixth form, the only religion that we have is a morning assembly once every few weeks and a religious story on a PowerPoint presentation in the mornings that the teachers turn off anyway because they can't be bothered with it. Nobody is forced to attend the assemblies and nobody actually has to take part in the 'morning worship' if they don't want to.

    We certainly aren't taught that evolution is wrong when we go to our science classes, in fact the only issue that teachers tell me they face is that some kids don't believe them when they talk about evolution because the children were taught previously that evolution was wrong and creationism is correct. Nor is there a huge amount of homophobia in the school (at least no more so than any other state school) rather, there are a thousand and one posters around the school talking about how homophobia is wrong.

    I also think it is important to mention that these schools are not 100% funded by the government (although a large amount of funding does indeed come from the government), and they legally have to accept at least 50% (not sure if this is the case for every school, but it appears to be for the one I attend) of their students not based on religion if they want to maintain government funding.

    So whilst I'm not particularly fond of religious schools as long as they are properly regulated and subject to inspections, I don't see a reason to immediately start closing them all down.
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    I go to a Church of England sixth form,the same high school I went to. I think faith schools are bad because I know a lot of people who just went to church to get into my school because it is a good school so this is really dishonest and it also means that loads of people are excluded from the highest and best levels of education so that is not right. However, people from all over the city come to our school and it is quite mixed. We also have some Muslims and obviously agnostics. I do not believe at all my school is against gays or indoctrinates women. We have a gay chaplain and another gay teacher and we are encouraged to embrace everyone. We have a female head and loads of other senior female staff. We have a lot of strong headed and independent female teachers and girls are encouraged greatly to be the best they can be.
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    (Original post by Gaya Ramanathan)
    Wrong. Schools inherently operate an ideological state apparatus but religious agenda just makes this worse.
    Guessing you take sociology
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    (Original post by Babyoleg)
    Guessing you take sociology
    Yeah haha
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    Hang on a second, you need to reexamine my post.

    (Original post by Reaver Daniels)
    I really think your view is ignorant. Not the effects of indoctrination, as I agree with you there (just look at Mao's China and the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany), but to suggest that myself or any of my peers were indoctrinated into believing some controversial beliefs because a textbook stated it is absurd.

    To suggest students have critical thought removed because a textbook says something is ludicrous.
    Non sequitur. My first paragraph dealt with my views on indoctrination. The last two sentences of my post stated my opinion on faith schools in general. No where in my post did I say that all faith schools are guilty of indoctrination. You've made the following mistake:

    - Peroxidation thinks indoctrination is the worst form of child abuse.
    - Peroxidation thinks all faith schools should be shut down.
    -> Therefore Peroxidation thinks that all faith schools indoctrinate their students.

    As I said, it's a non sequitur.

    (Original post by Reaver Daniels)
    Wow this was an amusing read. I went to a private faith school that taught some 'interesting' views in science and socially as well, but indoctrination is laughable at best and insulting at worst.
    (Original post by Reaver Daniels)
    I used to be a Calvinist, which goes against your view anyway, because my school was Armenian. I am now agnostic, which again suggests being able to think for myself? There were a variety of students at our school (Christians, atheists, agnostics, liberals, conservatives, feminists etc etc) and debated each other and the teachers on a regular basis (almost every morning to be precise).
    (Original post by Reaver Daniels)
    My school see almost all students go on to do A Levels, and many of us go on to prestigious/good universities.

    I have personally debated in parliament, lead the debate society at my sixth form and take all essay based argumentative subjects at A Level. I'd say my critical thinking is very much in tact, as is the critical thought of my fellow graduates. If debate is prevented and dogma is taught absolutely then you have a point and I'd agree with you, but in my personal experience your view is redundant.
    Careful, you've just made another mistake in your logic. This time it's incorrect use of anecdotal evidence. What is true in your case won't be true in all cases and since you've provided no data to back up your claims, it's an entirely fallacious use of anecdotes. Anecdotal evidence is by far the weakest form of evidence even when used correctly.

    - Peroxidation thinks some faith schools are guilty of indoctrination.
    - My faith school isn't.
    -> Therefore Peroxidation is wrong.

    See the issue here? You really ought to look out for these things, unsound logic can completely undermine your entire argument.
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    (Original post by Reaver Daniels)
    No, that's fine. I was stressing about an exam I was due to take when I wrote that post and so probably didn't make wholly coherent arguments.

    I wasn't using my school as a way to show that you were wrong at all I agree that indoctrination is horrific and wouldn't wish it upon anyone. I kept mentioning my school, as others did theirs, in an attempt to show people that not all faith schools are bad, as it seemed they were being attacked by extreme secularists. I wasn't attempting to use anecdotal evidence as a way to argue against coherent points, because as you said, you didn't mention what I was arguing so it would have been a straw man from me if I did anyway.

    Hope I've cleared that up, and sorry for any confusion, have a good night.


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    No worries, stress makes us all goof up. Good luck in your exams and you have a good night too.
 
 
 
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