The IRA and Britexit

Original post by Airmed

And then there is the issue over Irish passports, so it's not really problem solved at all. :tongue:

Northern Ireland is going to be a special case when it comes to Brexit. Except Westminster don't really want to deal with that right now, and N.I doesn't have a proper government to deal with it right now. :lol:

I don't think the Irish passport is important, you are not one nation (no matter how much you would like to be) and hence i would not be sad if Europe did not let you keep that arrangement.

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Original post by Rakas21

I don't think the Irish passport is important, you are not one nation (no matter how much you would like to be) and hence i would not be sad if Europe did not let you keep that arrangement.

N.Irish devolution isn't just a Westminster ideal, it is an international treaty between the British and Irish governments. Since it stipulates in it that we are entitled to EU membership (ie Irish passports), it is not a simple matter. None of it really is, tbh.

I might want an united Ireland, but I doubt it will happen in my lifetime, so you know, that's not what this about, my wishes for that. I'm just pointing out the difficulties of N.I leaving the EU.

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Original post by Rakas21

I don't think the Irish passport is important, you are not one nation (no matter how much you would like to be) and hence i would not be sad if Europe did not let you keep that arrangement.

The right of Northern Irish people to claim Irish citizenship and hold an Irish passport are enshrined in the GFA, which is independent of the EU. Thus, you're potentially breaking the GFA should you deprive us of our citizenship.

Incredibly insulting too, if say, Nigel Farage has acquired German (and thus EU) citizenship as was rumoured.

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Rakas21

Original post by That Bearded Man

The right of Northern Irish people to claim Irish citizenship and hold an Irish passport are enshrined in the GFA, which is independent of the EU. Thus, you're potentially breaking the GFA should you deprive us of our citizenship.

Incredibly insulting too, if say, Nigel Farage has acquired German (and thus EU) citizenship as was rumoured.

If after 20 years you require a treaty to stop the IRA killing their own then true peace will never be achieved and we may as well rip it up now.

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Original post by Rakas21

If after 20 years you require a treaty to stop the IRA killing their own then true peace will never be achieved and we may as well rip it up now.

UDA exist you know, not just the RA. They are as bad as each other.

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Original post by Rakas21

If after 20 years you require a treaty to stop the IRA killing their own then true peace will never be achieved and we may as well rip it up now.

More likely it'll entrench both sides tbh, another probable outcome of Brexit. SF response to the suspension will be outrage and they'll likely leave Stormont, again, this is breaking the PROMISE that convinced Republicans, nationalists and SF to enter government. Why should Republicans trust a system that dismisses all its promises?

Unionist strength will grow, nationalists will abandon SDLP, as they sure as hell won't stand up, the DUP will declare a victory and you'll see some extra enforcement, Irish classes cancelled, police escorts for parades, GAA funding cut, promotion of separate schooling etc.

IRA will respond I imagine in targetting areas of interest, popularly targeting the border stops perhaps. I don't think IRA violence will necessarily increase. I'm concerned about a domino effect as Unionists use this to further weaken Irish nationalism, Sinn Fein will have lost its support base and therefore must become anti-Stormont. United Ireland campaigns will probably become frequent and the divisive campaigns will return again.

Also, as a proud European and Irishman, I resent the idea that I lose the national identity I have chosen and was promised, because England pulls Northern Ireland, who voted Remain, out of the EU, against our will.

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Original post by That Bearded Man

More likely it'll entrench both sides tbh, another probable outcome of Brexit. SF response to the suspension will be outrage and they'll likely leave Stormont, again, this is breaking the PROMISE that convinced Republicans, nationalists and SF to enter government. Why should Republicans trust a system that dismisses all its promises?

Unionist strength will grow, nationalists will abandon SDLP, as they sure as hell won't stand up, the DUP will declare a victory and you'll see some extra enforcement, Irish classes cancelled, police escorts for parades, GAA funding cut, promotion of separate schooling etc.

IRA will respond I imagine in targetting areas of interest, popularly targeting the border stops perhaps. I don't think IRA violence will necessarily increase. I'm concerned about a domino effect as Unionists use this to further weaken Irish nationalism, Sinn Fein will have lost its support base and therefore must become anti-Stormont. United Ireland campaigns will probably become frequent and the divisive campaigns will return again.

Also, as a proud European and Irishman, I resent the idea that I lose the national identity I have chosen and was promised, because England pulls Northern Ireland, who voted Remain, out of the EU, against our will.

I must come back and rep this post when I can.

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Just let them have an independence referendum so they can be independent or part of the republic

They aren't our problem then

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Original post by paul514

Just let them have an independence referendum so they can be independent or part of the republic

They aren't our problem then

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We'd not be viable as an independent state. Also, a referendum would have to be held across the island and there is not a massive appetite for an united Ireland in the south right now.

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IndigoJFT96

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As someone who frequently travels from North to South and vice versa I sincerely hope there isn't a hard border separating the countries. The issue is that it seems like it'll be likely due to the Brexit ordeal, despite the reluctance and promise from political parties. Right now there's even more divide if possible, with the Northern Irish government going through an enforced change which means the border takes a back seat to reelecting a new leader.

Some want an Independent North, some want a United Ireland, some want the North to remain in the UK, some want to remain in Europe. No one wants a border. Right now it's just a complete mess.

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Original post by IndigoJFT96

As someone who frequently travels from North to South and vice versa I sincerely hope there isn't a hard border separating the countries. The issue is that it seems like it'll be likely due to the Brexit ordeal, despite the reluctance and promise from political parties. Right now there's even more divide if possible, with the Northern Irish government going through an enforced change which means the border takes a back seat to reelecting a new leader.

Some want an Independent North, some want a United Ireland, some want the North to remain in the UK, some want to remain in Europe. No one wants a border. Right now it's just a complete mess.

Enda Kenny doesn't want a hard border, and he stressed this in Brussels earlier this week. A hard border would be a disaster for both.

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Original post by Airmed

Enda Kenny doesn't want a hard border, and he stressed this in Brussels earlier this week. A hard border would be a disaster for both.

Yeah I know, I acknowledged that no one wants a hard border, but it's whether Brussels agrees with that or not. No one here really knows what's going on, whether it'll happen.

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Good bloke

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Irexit would solve the problem completely.

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Probably won't be one then will there! Lol

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Original post by Airmed

We'd not be viable as an independent state. Also, a referendum would have to be held across the island and there is not a massive appetite for an united Ireland in the south right now.

I know it's a completely unviable Independent state, I also think the south would vote for it don't underestimate patriotism and righting the wrongs of the past.

To me Ireland should be part of the uk or NI should be part of Ireland it's not like wales or Scotland so it's viable

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Original post by paul514

I know it's a completely unviable Independent state, I also think the south would vote for it don't underestimate patriotism and righting the wrongs of the past.

To me Ireland should be part of the uk or NI should be part of Ireland it's not like wales or Scotland so it's viable

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I'm not underestimating patriotism, I'm a Politics undergrad with an interest in Irish politics :lol:

And support for an united Ireland did drop thanks to the bailout.

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Original post by Good bloke

Irexit would solve the problem completely.

That would be interesting

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