are people who don't accept subjective morals stupid???Watch
Presumably you believe that morals are subjective and think you have good, easy to understand arguments for this view. Would you care to present them?
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It's troublesome that the universe seems pretty uncooperative in facilitating any exact measurements of an individual's suffering or well-being, but the data should in principle exist and it could (to the extent that such data is available) be used to inform efforts in moral decision-making.
If we acknowledge that morality's principal concern is the suffering and well-being of conscious perspectives, then those things are rooted in objective reality (i.e., they actually exist and to an actual extent), despite that they are experienced subjectively.
The reason I think morality is often thought to be subjective is because we can't actually agree that morality is in fact principally concerned with suffering and well-being, and a lot of people think any conception of morality is equally valid. This seems to indicate we have a problem understanding the topic of discussion, rather than with discussing it once we know what we're talking about.
subjective in their sources? or subjective in their applications (i.e. "slavery is bad, except in situation x")?
I have a morality that is mostly objective but it is subjective in its origin (e.g. a flawed human being's mind, not a deity's or from nature)
I couldn't disagree with you more, not just because you think some of us are stupid, but because even without the non-judgmental insult, I believe you are mistaken.
Think there might be a misunderstanding here - I didn't insult anyone! My point was simply that there are invariably intelligent people who believe stupid things. So even if we concede that objective morality is an outrageously stupid idea, it's still not very sensible to infer that any particular proponents are themselves stupid. I just stated that there were stupid people on both sides of the table!