Baby rhino refuses to sleep alone after its mother brutally killed

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It makes me so angry when the noble animal races like lion, tiger, elephant, rhino and whale are killed like this. It's so meaningless. In fact, I would be very much in favour of introducing some kind of felony offence for murder of any of the superior animal races.

Often these beautiful creatures are slaughtered by revolting human specimens who would have no chance whatsoever if they didn't have a high-powered rifle and hunt attendants to drive the animal into a kill zone. Grrrr

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You can't murder animals by the very definition of murder.

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So sad



It makes me so angry when the noble animal races like lion, tiger, elephant, rhino and whale are killed like this. It's so meaningless. In fact, I would be very much in favour of introducing some kind of felony offence for murder of any of the superior animal races.

Often these beautiful creatures are slaughtered by revolting human specimens who would have no chance whatsoever if they didn't have a high-powered rifle and hunt attendants to drive the animal into a kill zone. Grrrr

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Poor rhino : (Ugh that blond fatty makes me sooo mad, does he really think that posing with a dead lion makes him look masculine, piece of ****.
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It makes me so angry when the noble animal races like lion, tiger, elephant, rhino and whale are killed like this. It's so meaningless. In fact, I would be very much in favour of introducing some kind of felony offence for murder of any of the superior animal races.
Right, the "noble" animal races. They only count because you think they're of aesthetic value to you.
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Poor rhino
Indeed. It was so moving in the video said that when they found him next to his mother's body he was crying inconsolably and wouldn't be moved from her Poor little thing.

(Ugh that blond fatty makes me sooo mad, does he really think that posing with a dead lion makes him look masculine, piece of ****.
Completely agree. It unnatural and offensive to see that disgusting slob celebrating his "triumph". Also note how similar his wife looks to him; what a couple of inbred douchenozzles

The only consolation is that this video and his rescue proves that we humans are capable of empathy for non-human creatures, capable of acting selflessly and with respect for them. We are not all like that murderer
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Indeed. It was so moving in the video said that when they found him next to his mother's body he was crying inconsolably and wouldn't be moved from her Poor little thing.



Completely agree. It unnatural and offensive to see that disgusting slob celebrating his "triumph". Also note how similar his wife looks to him; what a couple of inbred douchenozzles

The only consolation is that this video and his rescue proves that we humans are capable of empathy for non-human creatures, capable of acting selflessly and with respect for them. We are not all like that murderer
Yeah, you are right. Some people can only cause destruction, though...
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Right, the "noble" animal races. They only count because you think they're of aesthetic value to you.
"survival of the cutest"

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The guy looks like donald trump, I wouldn't be surprised if it was him before.
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This upsets me and makes me very angry
This video is heartbreaking
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Right, the "noble" animal races. They only count because you think they're of aesthetic value to you.
Actually, the animals I mentioned (and the list is by no means exhaustive) are ones that experience complex cognition and emotional states. Elephants, for example, have a highly developed social and family structure, and mourn their dead.

I'm not ashamed to say (nor is it illogical) that I value the lives of such creatures over cockroaches or jellyfish
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Actually, the animals I mentioned (and the list is by no means exhaustive) are ones that experience complex cognition and emotional states. Elephants, for example, have a highly developed social and family structure, and mourn their dead.

I'm not ashamed to say (nor is it illogical) that I value the lives of such creatures over cockroaches or jellyfish
Pigs are probably more intelligent than all those except the elephant, so obviously that's just an excuse you're using

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This upsets me and makes me very angry
Ugh. What a horrible situation.

Orcas are highly intelligent creatures, it is wrong to enslave them to put on shows for shrieking children. I don't object to having some in captivity where scientific work will be done (researching breeding and so on) and to recoup some cost visitors can see them through glass at an underwater section.

But forcing them to perform cheap tricks is utterly revolting and, I feel, a contravention of their rights.
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Actually, the animals I mentioned (and the list is by no means exhaustive) are ones that experience complex cognition and emotional states. Elephants, for example, have a highly developed social and family structure, and mourn their dead.

I'm not ashamed to say (nor is it illogical) that I value the lives of such creatures over cockroaches or jellyfish
Okay, fair enough. Do you stand by this sort of reasoning with pigs, for instance? What is the exact criteria? At this point I am not trying to be confrontational, just trying to understand, as you've obviously demonstrated you've thought more about this than I assumed.

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damn, I hoped I would be the first to mention pigs.
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Okay, fair enough. Do you stand by this sort of reasoning with pigs, for instance?
I personally don't eat octopus anymore because I also view them as an advanced race. Equally I am currently considering whether I should extend that to pigs as they are quite intelligent.

There are two reasons why I have reservations (which at present require further research or elaboration on my part). First, I believe that humans have some justification for the consumption of meat products based on our evolutionary history. Second, I do not think pigs possess quite the same capacity for complex emotional, sexual and social expression, for playfulness and free-spiritedness, that we see in lions, elephants and cetaceans (the latter two particularly).

What is the exact criteria? At this point I am not trying to be confrontational, just trying to understand, as you've obviously demonstrated you've thought more about this than I assumed.
I don't have exact criteria at present. However, I do feel strongly that if an animal demonstrates advanced cognition, complex family or social structures etc then we have a particular obligation to them if they are endangered or their existence is threatened by extinction.
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Pigs are probably more intelligent than all those except the elephant, so obviously that's just an excuse you're using
Pigs aren't an endangered species, and I do not think they demonstrate the same complex social and family structures as elephants and cetaceans have. However I personally have strongly considered whether I should cease consuming pork as I have ceased consuming octopus.

As for "excuse"; what on earth does that mean? Excuse for what? Are you saying we should kill more elephants, lions, rhinos and whales?
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Pigs aren't an endangered species, and I do not think they demonstrate the same complex social and family structures as elephants and cetaceans have. However I personally have strongly considered whether I should cease consuming pork as I have ceased consuming octopus.

As for "excuse"; what on earth does that mean? Excuse for what? Are you saying we should kill more elephants, lions, rhinos and whales?
Being endangered has no bearing on individual suffering. Also, the cognitive abilities of octopii are very specialist- they certainly are not on the same level as pigs regarding socialand emotional complexity.

No, I'm saying you value these "noble" creatures for purely aesthetic reasons, but are claiming it's because of intelligence.
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Being endangered has no bearing on individual suffering.
It does have a bearing on how urgently we should consider and adopt measures to protect them.

I also oppose factory farming and the causing of any suffering to pigs during the killing process.

Also, the cognitive abilities of octopii are very specialist- they certainly are not on the same level as pigs regarding socialand emotional complexity.
That is a very anthropocentric view. Increasingly scientists are rating the octopuses intelligence more highly and attempting to understand it in the context of their evolution, not just from the perspective of ours. Realisticaly speaking, you cannot have any real idea what octopuses experience or feel. What we do know if that they are much more intelligent than previously understood and they possess many characteristics like higher problem-solving skills and high brain to body mass ratio which we know are associated with intelligence

No, I'm saying you value these "noble" creatures for purely aesthetic reasons, but are claiming it's because of intelligence.
You are mistaken. My views on porcine rights are still developing; that has no logical bearing on the question of the necessity and justification for protecting the animals I mentioned. There is also an obvious distinction in considering the rights of creatures that are part of highly vulnerable, pre-existing populations whose extinction is threatened by human action (like elephants and whales) as opposed to a species like the domestic pig who would not even exist without human farming.
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Another example of animals being enslaved for the purposes of ludicrous circus acts. Here they trained Russian bears to play ice hockey. The bears even wig out like hockey players do and snap at each other.

Their bodies are obviously not suited to such activities, it must have been incredibly frustrating for them. I wish there could be a bear uprising in that ice ring

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It does have a bearing on how urgently we should consider and adopt measures to protect them.

I also oppose factory farming and the causing of any suffering to pigs during the killing process.



That is a very anthropocentric view. Increasingly scientists are rating the octopuses intelligence more highly and attempting to understand it in the context of their evolution, not just from the perspective of ours. Realisticaly speaking, you cannot have any real idea what octopuses experience or feel. What we do know if that they are much more intelligent than previously understood and they possess many characteristics like higher problem-solving skills and high brain to body mass ratio which we know are associated with intelligence



You are mistaken. My views on porcine rights are still developing; that has no logical bearing on the question of the necessity and justification for protecting the animals I mentioned. There is also an obvious distinction in considering the rights of creatures that are part of highly vulnerable, pre-existing populations whose extinction is threatened by human action (like elephants and whales) as opposed to a species like the domestic pig who would not even exist without human farming.
If you apply this view to octopii, then logically you must also apply it to pigs. And then it's necessary you don't eat pigs for the same reason.
Realistically speaking though, intelligence is rather irrelevant. It's lucidity of emotion and physical pain that matters.
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