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    We are the masters of getting results in friendlies.

    However, when it comes to major tournaments we have been pretty rubbish since 1996.

    The last time we beat a major team was in 1996 against Spain. Previously, we had beaten zero big teams in the knockout stages of a major tournament in a long long time. So, any optimism that we had a golden generation was very much misplaced during Beckham's captaincy. Yes, we had the players that performed well at club level, but they failed spectacularly in the international setup.

    Beating the likes of Ecuador to stagger out at a quarter final is far far from success.

    I also don't buy the idea that we are a tragic team that are unlucky because of penalties. Why can we not attack and defend well during normal and extra time?

    In all honesty we have a team that can challenge, but again they are being managed by absolute imbeciles.

    Also, the fans cannot distance themselves from crucifying scapegoats yet again. Beckham in 98, Rooney in 2010-2014, Sterling in 2016. They forget that Kane had a terrible game, Lallana wastes just as many chances... and yet our only genuine winger capable of world class play (although inconsistent) is crucified in the press and social media at 21. Sterling unlike Beckham and Rooney at the games which got us knocked out, has not done anything majorly wrong, and yet he has been vilified. He had a bad game? So what? He was having good games in the warmup games (assists) and he was still getting bullied. I think he is done now in the tournament because if he starts and we go out... I can guarantee he will be targeted by the vultures in the press with their Liverpudlian spectacles.
    Blame must also rest with Roy regarding selection... no Townsend? Really? No Antonio? The team is crying out for these players. We lack width and teams find it so easy to just sit tight in banks of four and the players have proven incapable of breaking these narrow defenses down because it is not as easy as the Premier League where defending is shocking.


    All in all, you see recurring themes:
    - Tactical inability by coaches
    - Vilification of the players by the press and social media
    - Delusions from the press regarding our pedigree
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    (Original post by James.Carnell)
    We are the masters of getting results in friendlies.

    However, when it comes to major tournaments we have been pretty rubbish since 1996.

    The last time we beat a major team was in 1996 against Spain. Previously, we had beaten zero big teams in the knockout stages of a major tournament in a long long time. So, any optimism that we had a golden generation was very much misplaced during Beckham's captaincy. Yes, we had the players that performed well at club level, but they failed spectacularly in the international setup.

    Beating the likes of Ecuador to stagger out at a quarter final is far far from success.

    I also don't buy the idea that we are a tragic team that are unlucky because of penalties. Why can we not attack and defend well during normal and extra time?

    In all honesty we have a team that can challenge, but again they are being managed by absolute imbeciles.

    Also, the fans cannot distance themselves from crucifying scapegoats yet again. Beckham in 98, Rooney in 2010-2014, Sterling in 2016. They forget that Kane had a terrible game, Lallana wastes just as many chances... and yet our only genuine winger capable of world class play (although inconsistent) is crucified in the press and social media at 21. Sterling unlike Beckham and Rooney at the games which got us knocked out, has not done anything majorly wrong, and yet he has been vilified. He had a bad game? So what? He was having good games in the warmup games (assists) and he was still getting bullied. I think he is done now in the tournament because if he starts and we go out... I can guarantee he will be targeted by the vultures in the press with their Liverpudlian spectacles.
    Blame must also rest with Roy regarding selection... no Townsend? Really? No Antonio? The team is crying out for these players. We lack width and teams find it so easy to just sit tight in banks of four and the players have proven incapable of breaking these narrow defenses down because it is not as easy as the Premier League where defending is shocking.


    All in all, you see recurring themes:
    - Tactical inability by coaches
    - Vilification of the players by the press and social media
    - Delusions from the press regarding our pedigree
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    (Original post by Jimmy Seville)
    Yeah, and?
    Yeah..

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    Failures a stretch... We made it out of the group this time 😂
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    I must admit I didn't know we were that great at friendlies.
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    Whenever I see someone ask on a gambling forum what the best soccer betting system is or has been I always point out that it's betting against England in major soccer finals.

    (Even in Euro 96 and the 1990 World Cup you wouldn't have lost much or even made a slight profit betting against England in the 90 minute markets)
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    Hodgson and the culture that allows an expectation sucubus like that owl faced prick to rise to the top.*

    England as a culture rewards faux-intellectualism and cowardly arse-covering above anything approaching ability. *
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    Arrogance in the media and some of the fans that filters through to the players. Once we'd beaten Wales 'Oh let's look at who we'll play when we finish top of the group', just assuming we'd easily beat Slovakia.

    Once we'd found out that we'd finished second, it was 'oh look we're going to play France in the quarters, completely ignoring the fact that we had to play Iceland, who had already showed that they weren't a bad side.

    Players are pampered, and have lost their hunger and interest in the game due to the huge amounts of money they get.

    Not having a motivating, tactically astute manager.
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    (Original post by richpanda)
    Arrogance in the media and some of the fans that filters through to the players. Once we'd beaten Wales 'Oh let's look at who we'll play when we finish top of the group', just assuming we'd easily beat Slovakia.

    Once we'd found out that we'd finished second, it was 'oh look we're going to play France in the quarters, completely ignoring the fact that we had to play Iceland, who had already showed that they weren't a bad side.

    Players are pampered, and have lost their hunger and interest in the game due to the huge amounts of money they get.

    Not having a motivating, tactically astute manager.
    Money is an easy weapon to attack players with but it is a massive red herring; the Germany, Spain, French players are all paid an absolute fortune, likely higher on average than this group of English players, yet they still manage to perform to a high level consistently. Club players, when laid a fortune, are able to play to a high standard.

    Money has almost nothing to do with it. It's a country, media, fan, institutional culture that has led to this. It is so deep-rooted over the decades that it will take decades to right. Spain were very similar to England up until the point that they had an absolute fluke of pretty much half of one of the best teams ever being eligible to play for Spain and therefore transfer their club culture to the national team. This helped the national team to ignore their shite culture from fans to their FA and just go out and play a modified version of their club game.*
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    It's a multitude of sins - from a poor system, overemphasis on financial success of the PL, the PL being too popular for its own good, inferior players, rampant media pressure, a lack of coaches, and this constant dissection, micro spoof analysis.

    You can bet your life that there won't be a proper autopsy into what went wrong.

    The media has already moved on. Zlatan to United, Pep vs Jose etc.

    As you were, lads. See you back here after the 2018 World Cup.*
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    Mental weakness and it's not just the players. It's part of the football culture here. Just look at the delight from the BBC pundits when they found out we were playing Iceland rather than Portugal. It was the reaction of weak people who never expected their mentally weak players to rise to a challenge.

    Look at Italy. Have you seen any mental weakness from them? Were they scared to play Spain? Or are they scared to play Germany? Of course not.

    Almost every team I've ever seen at this tournament are way ahead of England when it comes to the mental side of the game, which when you get right down to it is everything. Not so good players with mental strength will always have a chance but I don't care how good you are at kicking a ball, if you haven't got it in the mind you're nothing.
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    English mentality is deeply ingrained - but MagicRat is absolutely right.

    It runs through football in this country - and other sports probably aren't as guilty of it. England's cricketers rise to the challenge of an Ashes series, England's rugby players rose to the occasion of facing Australia in their own back yard in a RWC final.

    There's something fundamentally flawed about the way we hone these footballers. *
 
 
 
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