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    Just want to talk about White Nationalism and not sweep it under the carpet anymore. If we are to move forward the Left-Wing need to accept that not everyone will fully commit to multiculturalism or the EU model.
    I am not promoting racism of any kind. I am looking for a open discussion to build bridges. Ty.
    By typing this thread out I am risking getting a ban so please be civil and respect other points of view else TSR will have my head.

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    As well as being a Political Libertarian I follow a lot White Nationalist ideas. I think a couple of people here have picked up on it and I was going to keep it a secret but since there was 52% backing leave I feel that I don't have to hide my cultural pursuits any longer.

    So what is White Nationalism?

    The establishment tends to try and label White Nationalists as Neo Nazi Fascists who want to bring back National Socialism but that is just 1 branch of White Nationalism. There are many and they branch into different directions.

    Neo-Nazi's tend to be Authoritarian.

    White Separatists on the other hand to be to Libertarian and just want to enjoy their cultural pursuits without having a horde of Anti-Fascists threatening them with violence.

    One of the biggest White Separatist movements in the world is the American Dooms Day Prepper Movement. There are a lot of racial groups who identify along racial lines and seek to create community with their own kin outside the realm of civil society.

    You then have the mix of 3 religious kinds of White Nationalism.

    1. Christian Identity.
    2. Nordic Pagan Identity.
    3. Atheist Identity.

    Some people rush and assume the Christian White Nationalists must be the KKK but they couldn't be more wrong. Majority of Christian White Nationalists tend to live in closed communities or they might be part of Motorcycle Gang for example.

    In fact a good majority of White Nationalists today dismiss groups like the KKK because they cause nothing but trouble for White Nationalist groups.

    The last flavour of White Nationalist tend to be the political groups who have watered down their rhetoric in order to be able to exist in a democracy.

    These groups tend to be:

    BNP, National Front and National Action.

    I would like to finish this thread off by showing a video where a reformed groups of Neo-Nazi's create their own Motorcycle club and invite other Motorcycle clubs of different beliefs to have good times in their club house.

    I hope you enjoy this.

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    I wonder if you're confusing libertarianism with liberalism.

    Liberalism is the standard definition of what you're used to, implying freedom, tolerance, and most importantly state welfare.

    Libertarianism on the other hand is an extreme variation of liberalism that advocates a minimalist state that does not even intervene to protect the rights of citizens from each other. It is essentially a 'survival of the fittest', no restrictions type of society. The state's only role would be to defend the nation from other countries. There would be hardly any taxation, and absolutely no welfare.
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    I hope you don't stereotype the left as people who try and shove immigrants and multiculturalism down your throats as well, groups are easily stereotyped by their worst members.
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    (Original post by PotOfBeans)
    I hope you don't stereotype the left as people who try and shove immigrants and multiculturalism down your throats as well, groups are easily stereotyped by their worst members.
    Not at all and in fact for the past 2 years I have been for a lot of left-wing politics in defence of the working class and those who cannot work.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Just want to talk about White Nationalism and not sweep it under the carpet anymore.
    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    I am not promoting racism of any kind.
    It's impossible to do the two. You're not promoting racism but Dylan Roof in the USA was a self proclaimed white nationalist and he went into a church and shot and killed 10 black people but of course you're not promoting racism. Right ?

    Secondly when in the world has white nationalism been swept under carpet ? Everyone has heard of the BNP. They are a political party. Everyone has heard of Nick Griffin, he was invited on and went on Question Time.

    Everyone has heard of the Ku Klux Klan. Not to mention the tons of other white nationalist groups. Stormfront is one the biggest white nationalist sites on the net. People like you, KILL ME the way you always start of racial debates by trying to claim that they are the victims. Victims of what exactly ?
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    I'm a closet brown nationalist.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Just want to talk about White Nationalism and not sweep it under the carpet anymore. If we are to move forward the Left-Wing need to accept that not everyone will fully commit to multiculturalism or the EU model.
    I am not promoting racism of any kind. I am looking for a open discussion to build bridges. Ty.
    By typing this thread out I am risking getting a ban so please be civil and respect other points of view else TSR will have my head.

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    As well as being a Political Libertarian I follow a lot White Nationalist ideas. I think a couple of people here have picked up on it and I was going to keep it a secret but since there was 52% backing leave I feel that I don't have to hide my cultural pursuits any longer.

    So what is White Nationalism?

    The establishment tends to try and label White Nationalists as Neo Nazi Fascists who want to bring back National Socialism but that is just 1 branch of White Nationalism. There are many and they branch into different directions.

    Neo-Nazi's tend to be Authoritarian.

    White Separatists on the other hand to be to Libertarian and just want to enjoy their cultural pursuits without having a horde of Anti-Fascists threatening them with violence.

    One of the biggest White Separatist movements in the world is the American Dooms Day Prepper Movement. There are a lot of racial groups who identify along racial lines and seek to create community with their own kin outside the realm of civil society.

    You then have the mix of 3 religious kinds of White Nationalism.

    1. Christian Identity.
    2. Nordic Pagan Identity.
    3. Atheist Identity.

    Some people rush and assume the Christian White Nationalists must be the KKK but they couldn't be more wrong. Majority of Christian White Nationalists tend to live in closed communities or they might be part of Motorcycle Gang for example.

    In fact a good majority of White Nationalists today dismiss groups like the KKK because they cause nothing but trouble for White Nationalist groups.

    The last flavour of White Nationalist tend to be the political groups who have watered down their rhetoric in order to be able to exist in a democracy.

    These groups tend to be:

    BNP, National Front and National Action.

    I would like to finish this thread off by showing a video where a reformed groups of Neo-Nazi's create their own Motorcycle club and invite other Motorcycle clubs of different beliefs to have good times in their club house.

    I hope you enjoy this.


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    (Original post by PrincePaul68991)
    It's impossible to do the two. Your not promoting racism but Dylan Roof in the USA was a self proclaimed white nationalist and he went into a church and shot and killed 10 black people but of course you are not promoting racism. Right ?

    Secondly when in the world has white nationalism been swept under carpet ? Everyone has a heard of the BNP. They are a political party. Every has heard of Nick Griffin he was invited on and went on Question Time.

    Everyone has heard of the Ku Klux Klan. Not to mention the tons of other white nationalist groups. Stormfront is one the biggest white nationalist sites on the net. White people KILL ME the way they always start of racial debates by trying to claim that they are the victims. Victims of what exactly ?
    Let me put what you've wrote into perspective first. Your trying to label a whole group as murdering racists because of the actions of a few unstable lunatics? That is like saying all the leave campaigners are murdering racists because the lunatic who happen to murder Jo Cox was a self admitted nationalist.

    Your making a huge generalisation. However please don't take offence. You might just be passionate about the lack of equality in America because its a really racist place. I agree with you if you think that is the case and I hope one day the USA will drop their prejudice behaviour.

    White Nationalism is swept under the carpet by the no platform policy a lot which groups like the UAF have backed for the past 10 years. There has never been a sit down debate about White Nationalists place in the United Kingdom. Instead we have been assaulted and removed from any public space.

    The only time when the establishment wants to talk to White Nationalists is when they want to destroy any political uprising within the white working classes. However I am afraid now the referendum has shown a class divide not just based on race but on wealth in general. Majority of places which had high remain votes where wealthy areas.

    I'm not trying to play the race card here. I'm just replying to your comments in relation to the points you have made and telling you how the establishment behaves.

    But anyway I am going to acknowledge my white privilege for a moment as you are right that the BNP and other groups have had a lot of media attention over the last couple of years. It would be wrong of me to be ignorant about this. In fact I do think a lot of far-right political groups have over shadowed other racial groups who have been trying to get a word in about the issues they face in Britain.

    What about Black-Caribbean communities being pushed out of central London by rich housing developers. Social gentrification at its finest. As I use to remember Brixton use to be a Black Caribbean community in London but now its being replaced by pointless coffee shops for London Luvvies & Toffs.

    A lot of people won't acknowledge this but I believe other racial groups are being sidelined now and swept underneath the carpet just as White Nationalists have. Would you agree with me on this?

    You raised some good points in your post and you made me think. :O)
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Just want to talk about White Nationalism and not sweep it under the carpet anymore. If we are to move forward the Left-Wing need to accept that not everyone will fully commit to multiculturalism or the EU model.
    I am not promoting racism of any kind. I am looking for a open discussion to build bridges. Ty.
    By typing this thread out I am risking getting a ban so please be civil and respect other points of view else TSR will have my head.

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    As well as being a Political Libertarian I follow a lot White Nationalist ideas. I think a couple of people here have picked up on it and I was going to keep it a secret but since there was 52% backing leave I feel that I don't have to hide my cultural pursuits any longer.

    So what is White Nationalism?

    The establishment tends to try and label White Nationalists as Neo Nazi Fascists who want to bring back National Socialism but that is just 1 branch of White Nationalism. There are many and they branch into different directions.

    Neo-Nazi's tend to be Authoritarian.

    White Separatists on the other hand to be to Libertarian and just want to enjoy their cultural pursuits without having a horde of Anti-Fascists threatening them with violence.

    One of the biggest White Separatist movements in the world is the American Dooms Day Prepper Movement. There are a lot of racial groups who identify along racial lines and seek to create community with their own kin outside the realm of civil society.

    You then have the mix of 3 religious kinds of White Nationalism.

    1. Christian Identity.
    2. Nordic Pagan Identity.
    3. Atheist Identity.

    Some people rush and assume the Christian White Nationalists must be the KKK but they couldn't be more wrong. Majority of Christian White Nationalists tend to live in closed communities or they might be part of Motorcycle Gang for example.

    In fact a good majority of White Nationalists today dismiss groups like the KKK because they cause nothing but trouble for White Nationalist groups.

    The last flavour of White Nationalist tend to be the political groups who have watered down their rhetoric in order to be able to exist in a democracy.

    These groups tend to be:

    BNP, National Front and National Action.

    I would like to finish this thread off by showing a video where a reformed groups of Neo-Nazi's create their own Motorcycle club and invite other Motorcycle clubs of different beliefs to have good times in their club house.

    I hope you enjoy this.


    Topix is a website where anyone can express their true feelings and be as rascist as they want without being banned, although you do still get warnings but they will still print what you write. I joined last year not knowing what it was really like but nothing offends me. Everyone has a right to express their opinion and as long as they keep it on that website and not express it on the street.
    I just laugh at the silly arguments people get into on it but not everyone on it is rascist. Some of the threads are funny or just asking for advice. I stopped using it for a while because they kept deleting other people's threads that were not rascist but did not explain why so i got bored but then i discovered this forum which is much better but i still like to use the other one now and again. But i only remembered it today because of your thread because i had stopped using it for a few months
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    (Original post by Judge Judy)
    Topix is a website where anyone can express their true feelings and be as rascist as they want without being banned, although you do still get warnings but they will still print what you write. I joined last year not knowing what it was really like but nothing offends me. Everyone has a right to express their opinion and as long as they keep it on that website and not express it on the street.
    I just laugh at the silly arguments people get into on it but not everyone on it is rascist. Some of the threads are funny or just asking for advice. I stopped using it for a while because they kept deleting other people's threads that were not rascist but did not explain why so i got bored but then i discovered this forum which is much better but i still like to use the other one now and again. But i only remembered it today because of your thread because i had stopped using it for a few months
    To be honest I want to talk to people on TSR about every topic there is because TSR is a high intellectual space. I find that if you show some a degree of respect here you may get some back but still ....... I make allowances for a lot of people here since I am a lot older.

    But of course ....... I don't act my age a lot of the time because I am a big kid

    So most of the time I do get told off by younger folk.
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    It's still PrincePaul. TSR blocked my account for the millionith time

    Notice - You can do post supporting the KKK. You get no ban

    White supremacist are allowed to RUN A MUCK on here

    I do posts and STRAIGHT AWAY I'm blocked.

    But anyway.

    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)

    There has never been a sit down debate about White Nationalists place in the United Kingdom. Instead we have been assaulted and removed from any public space.
    We never really drill down to the nuts and bolts that need to be asked of the White Nationalists and they kind of like that.

    Because they never have to actually put their ideas out there on the line to be scrutinized. They can always claim ideological martyr status for being shouted down as being iconoclasts in the public square.

    Let’s have the debate on what it would actually mean in public policy terms. Let’s see how the White Nationalists intend to address the problems of our time and indeed things they see as problems.

    Or are white nationalists just a one policy party ? (immigration)

    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)

    Let me put what you've wrote into perspective first. Your trying to label a whole group as murdering racists because of the actions of a few unstable lunatics?That is like saying all the leave campaigners are murdering racists because the lunatic who happen to murder Jo Cox was a self admitted nationalist.
    It leads into racism and that’s where most everyone goes with it. It’s pretty much impossible to subscribe to white nationalism and still maintain a non-racist stance.

    Also Dylann Roof was not a lunatic.He knew exactly what he wanted to achieve. He travelled 100 miles to that church. He worked out every painstaking detail, right down to the stockpiling of ammunition and the use of multiple weapons (just so he could ensure an uninterrupted hail of gunfire) One gun runs out of ammo, switch to the next one.

    That’s architecture, it’s engineering. His intent was to destroy as many black people as he possibly could in the shortest amount of time. He wanted to kill, wanted to see people dead. That was his objective. He even kept one alive so they could tell others of what he done.

    Where did he get all the rage towards black people ? White nationalists sites like council of conservative citzens which is one of them white nationalist sites that literally needs white people to die hands of black people because they use that to make some point.The same with that killer of Joe Cox. He was groomed on white nationalism.

    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)

    Your making a huge generalisation. However please don't take offence. You might just be passionate about the lack of equality in America because its a really racist place. I agree with you if you think that is the case and I hope one day the USA will drop their prejudice behaviour.
    And white nationalism is the solution to the USA dropping their racial prejudice ? That's almost like me thinking that Ronald McDonald is going to be solution the problems faced by vegans.

    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)

    White Nationalism is swept under the carpet by the no platform policy a lot which groups like the UAF have backed for the past 10 years.
    Are you going to come with that 14 words line now "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"

    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)

    The only time when the establishment wants to talk to White Nationalists is when they want to destroy any political uprising within the white working classes.However I am afraid now the referendum has shown a class divide not just based on race but on wealth in general. Majority of places which had high remain votes where wealthy areas.
    The people who are dumping on the white working class are other white people, that is rich white people.

    But to place blame where it really belongs would be illogical. After all, you take it for granted that one day you too might be wealthy, and you would not want others to question your decisions come that day either.

    No. Better to blame the dark-skinned for white working class hardship. In fact whiteness matters more to the poor than the rich. When one is poor and white, skin is all one has left, and it takes on larger-than-life meaning.

    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)

    But anyway I am going to acknowledge my white privilege for a moment as you are right that the BNP and other groups have had a lot of media attention over the last couple of years. It would be wrong of me to be ignorant about this. In fact I do think a lot of far-right political groups have over shadowed other racial groups who have been trying to get a word in about the issues they face in Britain.
    I'm not really sure what you are. You acknowledge racism somewhat, but then it's like "but f**k ya, I wanna be a white nationalist"

    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)

    What about Black-Caribbean communities being pushed out of central London by rich housing developers. Social gentrification at its finest. As I use to remember Brixton use to be a Black Caribbean community in London but now its being replaced by pointless coffee shops for London Luvvies & Toffs.
    Never been to Brixton but does not surprise me.

    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)

    A lot of people won't acknowledge this but I believe other racial groups are being sidelined now and swept underneath the carpet just as White Nationalist shave. Would you agree with me on this? You raised some good points in your pos tand you made me think. :O)
    Well. The thing is we are not on equal footing. Whites are the dominant group in the UK.

    When the group that has 90% of the GDP in its hands, less likely to be unemployed, less likely to be poor and is still running every major institution in this society. It becomes organizing on the basis of one’s own domination.

    So when the dominant group get's mad and angry and yet still has its relative power, its guns, its bombs, its police forces, its military, its majority status (in numbers and certainly in influence), that sense of grievance becomes more than mere annoyance. It becomes deadly.

    The backlash engendered by that sense of victim hood, linked with fire power and the strength of the state apparatus becomes a potential source of real fascism, properly defined and historically conceptualized.

    It's always the notion of national decline and the need for rebirth that lay at the root of fascism.
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    Well. The thing is we are not on equal footing. Whites are the dominant group in the UK.

    When the group that has 90% of the GDP in its hands, less likely to be unemployed, less likely to be poor and is still running every major institution in this society. It becomes organizing on the basis of one’s own domination.

    So when the dominant group get's mad and angry and yet still has its relative power, its guns, its bombs, its police forces, its military, its majority status (in numbers and certainly in influence), that sense of grievance becomes more than mere annoyance. It becomes deadly.

    The backlash engendered by that sense of victim hood, linked with fire power and the strength of the state apparatus becomes a potential source of real fascism, properly defined and historically conceptualized.

    It's always the notion of national decline and the need for rebirth that lay at the root of fascism.
    Guess who is the dominant group in South Africa, Zimbabwe, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, Cote D'Ivoire, Senegal etc etc. Do any of these countries bend over backwards for other ethnic groups other than for dollars?
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    (Original post by PrincePaul6890)
    It's still PrincePaul.
    Am not ignoring you just want to let the thread get a bit more attention so the discussion is more fruitful.
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    that's enough TSR for today.

    Don't mix up my leave vote for white nationalism, far from it. Even if the extreme right is thinking about making a come back our nations IQ is high enough for us to laugh it off.
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    that's enough TSR for today.

    Don't mix up my leave vote for white nationalism, far from it. Even if the extreme right is thinking about making a come back our nations IQ is high enough for us to laugh it off.
    52% of the country just announced they are white supremacist racist fascists, quite overwhelmingly stated it
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    (Original post by Manchester_123)
    52% of the country just announced they are white supremacist racist fascists, quite overwhelmingly stated it
    being against mass unskilled immigration which put's a strain on our public services is not racist but common sense.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Just want to talk about White Nationalism and not sweep it under the carpet anymore. If we are to move forward the Left-Wing need to accept that not everyone will fully commit to multiculturalism or the EU model.
    I am not promoting racism of any kind. I am looking for a open discussion to build bridges. Ty.
    By typing this thread out I am risking getting a ban so please be civil and respect other points of view else TSR will have my head.

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    As well as being a Political Libertarian I follow a lot White Nationalist ideas. I think a couple of people here have picked up on it and I was going to keep it a secret but since there was 52% backing leave I feel that I don't have to hide my cultural pursuits any longer.

    So what is White Nationalism?

    The establishment tends to try and label White Nationalists as Neo Nazi Fascists who want to bring back National Socialism but that is just 1 branch of White Nationalism. There are many and they branch into different directions.

    Neo-Nazi's tend to be Authoritarian.

    White Separatists on the other hand to be to Libertarian and just want to enjoy their cultural pursuits without having a horde of Anti-Fascists threatening them with violence.

    One of the biggest White Separatist movements in the world is the American Dooms Day Prepper Movement. There are a lot of racial groups who identify along racial lines and seek to create community with their own kin outside the realm of civil society.

    You then have the mix of 3 religious kinds of White Nationalism.

    1. Christian Identity.
    2. Nordic Pagan Identity.
    3. Atheist Identity.

    Some people rush and assume the Christian White Nationalists must be the KKK but they couldn't be more wrong. Majority of Christian White Nationalists tend to live in closed communities or they might be part of Motorcycle Gang for example.

    In fact a good majority of White Nationalists today dismiss groups like the KKK because they cause nothing but trouble for White Nationalist groups.

    The last flavour of White Nationalist tend to be the political groups who have watered down their rhetoric in order to be able to exist in a democracy.

    These groups tend to be:

    BNP, National Front and National Action.

    I would like to finish this thread off by showing a video where a reformed groups of Neo-Nazi's create their own Motorcycle club and invite other Motorcycle clubs of different beliefs to have good times in their club house.

    I hope you enjoy this.


    Lol mate you have effectively just called yourself a member of the KKK.

    Nobody gonna take anything you say seriously any more.

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    (Original post by Esoteric-)
    Lol mate you have effectively just called yourself a member of the KKK.

    Nobody gonna take anything you say seriously any more.

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    I said I believe in a couple White Nationalist ideas a couple times on politics thread. The only difference is I don't judge people on what they where born into this world as. I judge them on their personality.

    But whatever. Your just have to get that good old paint brush out and start applying titles to my name like racist, misogynist, sexist. Islamophobe etc etc.

    Hell you can label me as illegaltobepoor destroyer of worlds if you like. I don't care just as I didn't care every time I have mentioned my past before.
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    I get OP's point of view and how it would suck to be thrown in with certain stereotypes. I also get why someone might want their country to be surrounded by the culture they identify it with.

    But here's the problem for me..."your country". When you date back your origins, there's a time when they're not going to be from down the road at Spar. They are going to span off into before a place called England even existed. If you were a "nationalist", cool, no problem. But a "white nationalist"...what makes your country a white country? Some black people have been in the UK for generations upon generations. Their culture might entirely be that of Britain. There are sports stars who have contributed more to British nationalism than you likely will do in your entire life (Lennox Lewis springs to mind).

    There are people of all creeds and cultures who identify themselves fully as English.

    Also, lmfao at a white national saying the words "white privilege" and "gentrification". Black guy in a low income area looking at his white next door neighbour saying "Man this is some racist sht right?" as they both get flung out together.
 
 
 
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